From lojban+bncCMqBsa7nERCqhIHlBBoEND5R-g@googlegroups.com Mon Sep 27 00:05:29 2010 Received: from mail-yw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.213.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1P07m9-0001S2-B8; Mon, 27 Sep 2010 00:05:29 -0700 Received: by ywp4 with SMTP id 4sf1719525ywp.16 for ; Mon, 27 Sep 2010 00:05:19 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=QIhBtPWxpBjppXN5Y7wZ3YfUXI3g4j172D6VsKRM3jY=; b=MOrSevzRSYxKCXmxZSGfOiTd0bGZvh8jo5pC0Q/cxnSLGUvUct/0ZCR0GsFxDI/+jY m/eZa7cPvdQzlHO+PVQn/LmWHLvPX5NUJWcbGXCKl1TAp4PTWuZ5IcRjJ2Cld18THAUs jyfL3uoVTkeM4fUtyReXCaDvfMObu3yysfzWA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=U52iFl+NOh/HPMzevxhAMkM8UOOrTwDa4oySjs8QdGlzwyJw8woSuOXJKmpufY6r5B +HvP98Mr7ZEV0QO/5AgsmTquSv79KavO0gwTctFx2BklyfS9Awxb0qo40xFKzMPIzuBi SN8o2NbYfM0P1WmFyVAInjh//jVs4zDrIkEPs= Received: by 10.91.43.20 with SMTP id v20mr1104820agj.43.1285571114229; Mon, 27 Sep 2010 00:05:14 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.231.55.74 with SMTP id t10ls1738744ibg.3.p; Mon, 27 Sep 2010 00:05:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.42.4.21 with SMTP id 21mr747340icq.16.1285571113184; Mon, 27 Sep 2010 00:05:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.42.4.21 with SMTP id 21mr747339icq.16.1285571113151; Mon, 27 Sep 2010 00:05:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-iw0-f170.google.com (mail-iw0-f170.google.com [209.85.214.170]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id z37si3496660ibq.0.2010.09.27.00.05.12; Mon, 27 Sep 2010 00:05:12 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of oges007@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.170 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.214.170; Received: by iwn37 with SMTP id 37so5593245iwn.15 for ; Mon, 27 Sep 2010 00:05:12 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.19.3 with SMTP id y3mr8634177iba.156.1285571111790; Mon, 27 Sep 2010 00:05:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.30.195 with HTTP; Mon, 27 Sep 2010 00:05:11 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2010 17:05:11 +1000 Message-ID: Subject: [lojban] la za'e filjvocedra (The Age of Easy Lujvo) From: Ross Ogilvie To: lojban X-Original-Sender: oges007@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of oges007@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.170 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=oges007@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable hehehe doi ro do poi jundi zoi gy. arrested development gy. lu mi blagau vo'a li'u se cusku la .tobias.funkes. mi'e .ros. On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 4:00 PM, Stela Selckiku wrote: On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 11:54 AM, Luke Bergen wrote= : > It's an exellent point.=A0 I only start thinking about lujvo creaton > when I'm trying to think of how to translate an english word. > But that seems like such a waste.=A0 If that's the only reason that > we use for making lujvo then we're going to just fill the ze'a > jvoca'u with glico translations. .ie tcetce malglico .i .i'e do jvofi'i zo jvoca'u noi mlejvo The thing is that it's much harder to make a word for something completely new. =A0You have to explain to people what the concept is, instead of just pointing them at which existing concept to connect the word to. =A0For instance I made up a lujvo the other day za'e "la'ucni" (lalxu+cinmo, lake+emote), by which I mean experiencing the feeling of encountering a new space that's very broad and deep, a large range of possibilities that you can dive into and explore. =A0But more concrete I guess than za'e "xasycni" (xamsi+cinmo, ocean+emote) which would be completely overwhelming, would be something there's no way you could ever explore it to its ends and depth. =A0With "la'ucni" it's a feeling of something that's vast but also comprehensible, something you can see the ends of even if it would take a long time to explore them. =A0So you can see how it's hard to be sure even with all those words of explanation that you're thinking of the same thing I am, since I'm not just hooking it onto a concept we already share. I think that filjvo can help us to more easily explore new parts of the jvoca'u, because then even if there isn't a natlang word that the filjvo resembles you can expect its meaning because of the pattern of similar words. =A0For instance many of the -gau lujvo were obviously made as translations of English words, like badgau =3D defend and dadgau =3D to hang/suspend, but you can make a new one like, oh I dunno, za'e "blagau" (blanu+gasnu, blue+do) and even though there isn't a specific English word for making something blue, the meaning of the filjvo is easy to follow because it's in the same pattern as the rest of the -gau words, so you know what I'm talking about if I say "mi blagau le zdani" (I made the house blue). mi'e la stela selckiku -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. 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