From lojban+bncCN673cmqFBC2rILlBBoECKeSGA@googlegroups.com Mon Sep 27 06:12:02 2010 Received: from mail-gy0-f189.google.com ([209.85.160.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1P0DUm-0000vo-N7; Mon, 27 Sep 2010 06:12:02 -0700 Received: by gya1 with SMTP id 1sf4200562gya.16 for ; Mon, 27 Sep 2010 06:11:47 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:received:x-vr-score :x-authority-analysis:x-cm-score:message-id:date:from:user-agent :x-accept-language:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=aGy7kS1iQX8Qs3xxbj3+CgLzt8r2gaxrdFrgK/qq1c4=; b=qGtPclei/SQU1lSSvFDO8jODltC2AeEnP5XxAdldRUXlmnJ558sIHOIX0J32OszQTC onfqiPGs0941yQRVQIzsE8Om8671Nl5Ekme0QU+MQVIGfH/lu7okmfKg0SrkLTzB56Kt 5DguuW2fzbqvKeFeEnJg44zwF2wuas+neG9gE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:x-vr-score:x-authority-analysis:x-cm-score :message-id:date:from:user-agent:x-accept-language:mime-version:to :subject:references:in-reply-to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=aZPc2Ll9Z2dbybdXyA7Qc7vFNEdwCSggmOLaDoMXu+OeoOe0bG7nBT0UsmgYPx5URh iI7ZmEFqqWkATWWUdPUUVwzuPXVBv9CS4aqCUxWlLEn0xeeCwStv5KnymKm5Wf+WePNv ZUbaNR43mKmVs8LaJlwUSSmv90ypYxyT7CEEI= Received: by 10.90.30.3 with SMTP id d3mr1141118agd.54.1285592630874; Mon, 27 Sep 2010 06:03:50 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.91.215.10 with SMTP id s10ls2378913agq.5.p; Mon, 27 Sep 2010 06:03:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.151.41.10 with SMTP id t10mr1636589ybj.30.1285592629893; Mon, 27 Sep 2010 06:03:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.151.41.10 with SMTP id t10mr1636587ybj.30.1285592629820; Mon, 27 Sep 2010 06:03:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from eastrmmtao105.cox.net (eastrmmtao105.cox.net [68.230.240.47]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id m14si5398529ybn.4.2010.09.27.06.03.49; Mon, 27 Sep 2010 06:03:49 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 68.230.240.47 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of lojbab@lojban.org) client-ip=68.230.240.47; Received: from eastrmimpo01.cox.net ([68.1.16.119]) by eastrmmtao105.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.00.01.00 201-2244-105-20090324) with ESMTP id <20100927130349.YNOX14030.eastrmmtao105.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net> for ; Mon, 27 Sep 2010 09:03:49 -0400 Received: from [192.168.0.100] ([70.179.118.163]) by eastrmimpo01.cox.net with bizsmtp id Bp3o1f00H3Xcbvq02p3otX; Mon, 27 Sep 2010 09:03:49 -0400 X-VR-Score: -100.00 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=Ve2E6xT+YqPv90BJPa9Z7cy3eVbY/842O+E6p2NWdSs= c=1 sm=1 a=q_Yhov3COCAA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=7ls7RdmwX4RvLZNVULbZcg==:17 a=nYSRhegRU2O0jeQMV7UA:9 a=SG3cBN82g7ueHD5gZuHc-euJppgA:4 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=7ls7RdmwX4RvLZNVULbZcg==:117 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Message-ID: <4CA09638.4080606@lojban.org> Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2010 09:03:52 -0400 From: Robert LeChevalier User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] la za'e filjvocedra (The Age of Easy Lujvo) References: In-Reply-To: X-Original-Sender: lojbab@lojban.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 68.230.240.47 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of lojbab@lojban.org) smtp.mail=lojbab@lojban.org Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed I'm not sure where this thread started or what filjvo are but ... Stela Selckiku wrote: >>And you forgot to mention zan- and mal-! > Yeah, those are good ones! > > I'm wondering what other gismu could be similarly productive. Here > are some ideas, of varying quality, with examples: > > banli (bal, ba'i), za'e "balbra", banli zei barda, grandly large. > bredi (red, bre), za'e "klabre", klama zei bredi, ready to go. > ... > Not all of those are really all that productive. But in trying to > think of some I did notice some patterns. At one time, my plan for the dictionary was to take individual words and build families of 2-place lujvo around them, kinda like building a thesaurus, but without necessarily having the words already there. I would in fact have used an English thesaurus as PART of the source, because it shows a breakdown of related concepts. Come up with lujvo to express the fine distinctions of the family of words for an English thesaurus entry, and then add others for other distinctions you can see just as part of making those words, and you quickly grow the vocabulry. Furthermore, all the place structures tend to be similar, and the toughest part of making new Lojban words has always been figuring out what the place structure should be. > One is emotion words, it's easy to tack them onto an action to also > show how the actor felt about the action, like putting xer- (xenru) on > something to show it was done regretfully or putting gek- or gei- > (gleki) to show it was done happily. How about just having a set of gismu and lujvo to cover all the emotions expressed by the attitudinals, including some of those expressed as compound attitudinals, with some fine distinctions we don't typically make in English because they pop up naturally in lojban, say, with the ro'V modifiers. One can easily imagine there could be a couple hundred emotion lujvo, all with essentially the same place structure (which is my idea of "easy lujvo"). Colors are another area. Pink, rose, aqua, mauve, sepia. Lots of obscure English color words, and a raft of obscure Lojban color lujvo could be just as useful. Words for a variety of different academic fields and subjects - like all the "ologies" of English. If this were done, then the families of lujvo based off particular words would tend to emerge naturally as people saw what was useful for making the distinctions. lojbab -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.