From lojban+bncCIGHwM2rDhDzwILlBBoEByXQKQ@googlegroups.com Mon Sep 27 06:47:52 2010 Received: from mail-yx0-f189.google.com ([209.85.213.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1P0E3S-0003vn-MT; Mon, 27 Sep 2010 06:47:51 -0700 Received: by yxs7 with SMTP id 7sf4249394yxs.16 for ; Mon, 27 Sep 2010 06:47:36 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:received:received:date:from:to :subject:message-id:mail-followup-to:references:mime-version :in-reply-to:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help :list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-disposition:content-transfer-encoding; bh=ogvLuSgOSOW5Z+JMSI3QwUtBJiQRMwqW3alhs6yCbzk=; b=4ILHOOHZpeJFmhuKrQsk6OLSs80VeZm3ZdGpSyq8UNcIHPgq8/yto5pUa74IBbC4v5 9Qx9Gf1lrf/2FdSbuFCuK5VuN4KeTwJQSmY/VlfGwuvabg8TF9yHjqkoPqbJokouJ5q+ SoXK+5f33yEY79XlRT01OxHnIIhxpY4Xd/IKg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:date:from:to:subject:message-id :mail-followup-to:references:mime-version:in-reply-to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-disposition:content-transfer-encoding; b=u3YRZIdxZzmcnAKjEp4rM43BqFIJcIX7M9swqu7I5QP7loSo5r9yGrlq8PWWfmp52l arI9MUfEy/UEmt8gtEgwlH3W7hcSQVcrpi+hx+w3rgGFNNVxrfN19eE9hwOoVpUSEiJw nwQDF0oP1G27TgWlv3kF/Yw46nGoGYJpuAYxw= Received: by 10.220.62.198 with SMTP id y6mr134807vch.46.1285595251596; Mon, 27 Sep 2010 06:47:31 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.91.157.16 with SMTP id j16ls2394981ago.7.p; Mon, 27 Sep 2010 06:47:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.151.13.2 with SMTP id q2mr2344033ybi.24.1285595249954; Mon, 27 Sep 2010 06:47:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.151.13.2 with SMTP id q2mr2344032ybi.24.1285595249899; Mon, 27 Sep 2010 06:47:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-yw0-f48.google.com (mail-yw0-f48.google.com [209.85.213.48]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id a6si5448100ybo.14.2010.09.27.06.47.29; Mon, 27 Sep 2010 06:47:29 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 209.85.213.48 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of alanpost@sunflowerriver.org) client-ip=209.85.213.48; Received: by ywf9 with SMTP id 9so2324343ywf.35 for ; Mon, 27 Sep 2010 06:47:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.151.79.10 with SMTP id g10mr9217588ybl.401.1285595249622; Mon, 27 Sep 2010 06:47:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sunflowerriver.org ([209.234.140.58]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id n20sm6217780ibe.11.2010.09.27.06.47.26 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 27 Sep 2010 06:47:28 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2010 07:47:19 -0600 From: Alan Post To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] nu pa moi se nunkei la'e lu lo do ckiku ma zvati li'u lu'u Message-ID: <20100927134719.GC24270@alice.local> Mail-Followup-To: lojban@googlegroups.com References: <20100925023935.GA18705@alice.local> Mime-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: X-Original-Sender: alanpost@sunflowerriver.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 209.85.213.48 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of alanpost@sunflowerriver.org) smtp.mail=alanpost@sunflowerriver.org Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 12:20:26AM -0300, Jorge Llamb=EDas wrote: > > =A0 =A0.i ko'a pe mi .i lo rokci pe mi .i ko'e pe do .i lo grana pe do >=20 > Grammatical, but no predicates here. I assume you want: >=20 > .i ko'a me mi moi .i lo rokci cu me mi moi .i ko'e me do moi .i lo > rokci cu me do moi >=20 I am trying to learn how {mi moi} relates to {pe mi} and {po mi}. I understand that pe/po are relative phrases, and I'm not sitting in front of the reference grammar so I don't know why {pa moi broda} is gramatical whereas {mi moi broda} is not. If I say {.i lo broda ku me mi moi}, I understand that to mean "broda is in set of my things (and events, states, &c?), but where does this fall with regards to pe/po? Can you possess something in my set, as in the (non-grammatical) ".i do ponse lo mi moi rokci"? To make this grammatical do I say ".i do ponse lo mi rokci"? Or am I saying "you posses the me type-of rock? Thank you! -Alan --=20 .i ko djuno fi le do sevzi --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. 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