From lojban+bncCIGHwM2rDhCp3ILlBBoEfSGqAg@googlegroups.com Mon Sep 27 07:46:37 2010 Received: from mail-wy0-f189.google.com ([74.125.82.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1P0EyN-0001Xn-CE; Mon, 27 Sep 2010 07:46:36 -0700 Received: by wyb40 with SMTP id 40sf1273905wyb.16 for ; Mon, 27 Sep 2010 07:46:25 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:received:received:date:from:to :subject:message-id:mail-followup-to:references:mime-version :in-reply-to:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help :list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-disposition:content-transfer-encoding; bh=1OHavGUND1VdZU5zJweudgmgMeToTEwgH24oqlC0qow=; b=S5HJTpMfhbrKXYZb31JNNfC6TWfEoEiWFX53MUkKDLE4jBI2XNZgCHGDBOpNmB3wy2 KFxrVrJ+6u2X5pP/VHwJYBZAEZCeqWGRWFupeI6j+/kQxSTONr+2EGpHglSXeHLTZvYb nJ25WDk9XyISUjzHudk1jw4J/zosUrOY3S6vI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:date:from:to:subject:message-id :mail-followup-to:references:mime-version:in-reply-to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-disposition:content-transfer-encoding; b=l0d66U/Mgn5Mm177GaP1hbd8vPK3CYUK0sWCMxAdZfmcFyHP2kU2AVuBgJS/2wc1lg tR3HjxhDNo+SsRkWOPogKzH+Edu3w4DEX79eQ63gCpb/E6d5ky4THv+L+ZvL85txKeAv 9J2JKSy7C7Ieo4ijROV+GebwwBH3g02m1CEnk= Received: by 10.216.145.130 with SMTP id p2mr1156123wej.7.1285598761371; Mon, 27 Sep 2010 07:46:01 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.213.43.207 with SMTP id x15ls546830ebe.1.p; Mon, 27 Sep 2010 07:46:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.213.10.210 with SMTP id q18mr1751292ebq.16.1285598760081; Mon, 27 Sep 2010 07:46:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.213.10.210 with SMTP id q18mr1751291ebq.16.1285598760054; Mon, 27 Sep 2010 07:46:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ew0-f47.google.com (mail-ew0-f47.google.com [209.85.215.47]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id w43si6248220eeh.3.2010.09.27.07.45.59; Mon, 27 Sep 2010 07:45:59 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 209.85.215.47 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of alanpost@sunflowerriver.org) client-ip=209.85.215.47; Received: by mail-ew0-f47.google.com with SMTP id 7so1328650ewy.6 for ; Mon, 27 Sep 2010 07:45:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.103.198.14 with SMTP id a14mr803443muq.117.1285598759296; Mon, 27 Sep 2010 07:45:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sunflowerriver.org (173-10-243-253-Albuquerque.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [173.10.243.253]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id a10sm1424658vci.16.2010.09.27.07.45.57 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 27 Sep 2010 07:45:58 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2010 08:45:54 -0600 From: Alan Post To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] nu pa moi se nunkei la'e lu lo do ckiku ma zvati li'u lu'u Message-ID: <20100927144554.GA24652@alice.local> Mail-Followup-To: lojban@googlegroups.com References: <20100925023935.GA18705@alice.local> <20100927134719.GC24270@alice.local> Mime-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: X-Original-Sender: alanpost@sunflowerriver.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 209.85.215.47 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of alanpost@sunflowerriver.org) smtp.mail=alanpost@sunflowerriver.org Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 11:04:17AM -0300, Jorge Llamb=EDas wrote: > > I understand that pe/po are relative phrases, and I'm not sitting in > > front of the reference grammar so I don't know why {pa moi broda} is > > gramatical whereas {mi moi broda} is not. >=20 > Because "pa" and "mi" are in different selma'o. >=20 Here is the answer I wanted to look up earlier: BNF: tanru-unit-2<152> ~=3D ... ME # sumti /MEhU#/ [MOI #] | (number | lerfu-string) MOI # ... Rats: tanru-unit-2 <- ... ME-clause free* (sumti / lerfu-string) MEhU-clause? free* MOI-clause? f= ree*=20 / (number / lerfu-string) MOI-clause free* ... moi has two places it is grammatical, one when dealing with numbers and the other when used with ME. I was not previously aware that the non-numerical use of MOI required ME. .i mu'o mi'e .alyn. --=20 .i ko djuno fi le do sevzi --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.