From lojban+bncCNTPpI2KGxCu7oLlBBoEhGynjA@googlegroups.com Mon Sep 27 08:24:52 2010 Received: from mail-pz0-f61.google.com ([209.85.210.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1P0FZN-0001tj-Hr; Mon, 27 Sep 2010 08:24:52 -0700 Received: by pzk7 with SMTP id 7sf2382266pzk.16 for ; Mon, 27 Sep 2010 08:24:40 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:x-authority-analysis:x-cloudmark-score :x-originating-ip:received:received:from:to:subject:date:user-agent :mime-version:message-id:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-disposition; bh=HbiRcAjzaEW1/i7bHqjfZB5GwGO0ZZQSp/Hfd2G++WI=; b=eOUvX4kaEV2GL9z7aVk7RIuLd1/DxkcUamvhEZX/x4h4OHFl2vib+sSxIRkJfnmo5Y KD1fA+CH/YJB7EoqIkho+CppDzn5ZMsceiv3I7tpes77FqdOuYyekDQx+3QwTQwpdzks pO9nVX8U9EYy698txnADdnA9Z/YfxhjECSW28= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:x-authority-analysis:x-cloudmark-score :x-originating-ip:from:to:subject:date:user-agent:mime-version :message-id:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help :list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-disposition; b=1JlXyUZ5HB+nb2QiN6azZh7VC3kHJtp+r+imIuLZpfx4KMjUVqefc3KiqlFgtqHGf7 Qak4alNsS3Sz1gN9PqA9vsCIr6dSLJLYr8EDhukyFKs8QHPu+vCt3T+5f/+3yEB6bbej Kij1m9dd+ngbFWYi9bazpOTdYk2pl7G3Hg2Y4= Received: by 10.142.151.4 with SMTP id y4mr85883wfd.46.1285601070297; Mon, 27 Sep 2010 08:24:30 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.142.6.9 with SMTP id 9ls5525463wff.3.p; Mon, 27 Sep 2010 08:24:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.193.4 with SMTP id q4mr2853718wff.40.1285601069719; Mon, 27 Sep 2010 08:24:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.193.4 with SMTP id q4mr2853717wff.40.1285601069683; Mon, 27 Sep 2010 08:24:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.123]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id a8si7104847wfg.6.2010.09.27.08.24.29; Mon, 27 Sep 2010 08:24:29 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 75.180.132.123 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) client-ip=75.180.132.123; X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=hmUrJoxdBoofHp1EI6q2IJFs4rJWwSRkoXV0c/QttSY= c=1 sm=0 a=M7dlhWfxvHYA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=9o99xeNKNPYSmM5t9x5+TQ==:17 a=2YKbo1sX6As7h4ctUFAA:9 a=Wa6dof_R-tIak2uqpYUA:7 a=vcx1A9VLHy7L86yxt9zEGRQ5wtQA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=9o99xeNKNPYSmM5t9x5+TQ==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 75.176.118.168 Received: from [75.176.118.168] ([75.176.118.168:46620] helo=chausie) by cdptpa-oedge02.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.2.39 r()) with ESMTP id 54/C8-18858-C27B0AC4; Mon, 27 Sep 2010 15:24:28 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chausie (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7C9A140A9 for ; Mon, 27 Sep 2010 11:24:27 -0400 (EDT) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban Subject: [lojban] syntactically correct but grammatically wrong Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2010 11:24:25 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 (enterprise 0.20070907.709405) MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <201009271124.26547.phma@phma.optus.nu> X-Original-Sender: phma@phma.optus.nu X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 75.180.132.123 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) smtp.mail=phma@phma.optus.nu Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline The Lojban formal grammar covers syntax, but not semantics or pragmatics. There are sentences that are valid according to the grammar, but would not be valid to a native speaker. For instance: mi te .u do du ra'o ko'a (converting a conjunction with "te" is meaningless; "du", unlike "go'i", has no antecedent, so "du ra'o" doesn't make sense) ze'e le jeftu be li ci mi sipna noda ("sipna" is intransitive; this is in Alice) le brife cu jungau le dargu le tsani (wind is not an agent, roads don't know, sky isn't a knowable fact) Can you think of others? -- lo ponse be lo mruli po'o cu ga'ezga roda lo ka dinko -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.