From lojban+bncCIGHwM2rDhDZhIPlBBoE0Er_pg@googlegroups.com Mon Sep 27 09:12:24 2010 Received: from mail-wy0-f189.google.com ([74.125.82.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1P0GJQ-0004dy-PC; Mon, 27 Sep 2010 09:12:24 -0700 Received: by wyb40 with SMTP id 40sf1310250wyb.16 for ; Mon, 27 Sep 2010 09:12:14 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:received:received:date:from:to :subject:message-id:mail-followup-to:references:mime-version :in-reply-to:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help :list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-disposition:content-transfer-encoding; bh=2RfN+5+EYNYBmCxMWvZfQoOem2BAzIUZUNmF+N7Ra4o=; b=2qXiiayCIftIJDz+bfG/JFgAxtZvhfkXaCeoKoM2cjWKjVeSinztcEIfUrpDkM4BxN kPL3PCCiHBTz9r8pKUEUaKmxJozm/9VAfT+T6thqCjTTGIsLg+ZHYr2o5tYlCjSzEydl HsafqS96+X/E+Zn8DEHwZmYGhPl6SOCUymdQM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:date:from:to:subject:message-id :mail-followup-to:references:mime-version:in-reply-to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-disposition:content-transfer-encoding; b=Szil1ZntyH3/Hj+i2PpK+/dJVn/93mboCEzPu8QR0874JSpoIYYENtQFcWC0cb/0TG mE2PFHglnXvK8f00H5XN1bcKWBfRMZ/Ce5RQFYS+v1YFRbMv1b51LzDHE2QujoCayYDc RbIZMEiUh1yeT0Wvrorkd8AdfaXSsWM0gQ+4o= Received: by 10.216.144.25 with SMTP id m25mr1232285wej.9.1285603929317; Mon, 27 Sep 2010 09:12:09 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.213.41.69 with SMTP id n5ls582945ebe.2.p; Mon, 27 Sep 2010 09:12:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.213.51.198 with SMTP id e6mr2204715ebg.4.1285603928426; Mon, 27 Sep 2010 09:12:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.213.51.198 with SMTP id e6mr2204714ebg.4.1285603928402; Mon, 27 Sep 2010 09:12:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ew0-f54.google.com (mail-ew0-f54.google.com [209.85.215.54]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id a48si6331268eei.6.2010.09.27.09.12.08; Mon, 27 Sep 2010 09:12:08 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 209.85.215.54 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of alanpost@sunflowerriver.org) client-ip=209.85.215.54; Received: by mail-ew0-f54.google.com with SMTP id 22so2115318ewy.41 for ; Mon, 27 Sep 2010 09:12:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.103.221.5 with SMTP id y5mr948808muq.134.1285603926758; Mon, 27 Sep 2010 09:12:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sunflowerriver.org (173-10-243-253-Albuquerque.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [173.10.243.253]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id e7sm1489453vcm.21.2010.09.27.09.12.04 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 27 Sep 2010 09:12:05 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2010 10:12:02 -0600 From: Alan Post To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] nu pa moi se nunkei la'e lu lo do ckiku ma zvati li'u lu'u Message-ID: <20100927161201.GA25976@alice.local> Mail-Followup-To: lojban@googlegroups.com References: <20100925023935.GA18705@alice.local> <20100927134719.GC24270@alice.local> Mime-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: X-Original-Sender: alanpost@sunflowerriver.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 209.85.215.54 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of alanpost@sunflowerriver.org) smtp.mail=alanpost@sunflowerriver.org Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 11:04:17AM -0300, Jorge Llamb=EDas wrote: > >=A0Can you possess something in my set, > > as in the (non-grammatical) ".i do ponse lo mi moi rokci"? >=20 > The grammatical form would be "do ponse lo me mi moi rokci". >=20 > > To make this > > grammatical do I say ".i do ponse lo mi rokci"? =A0Or am I saying "you > > posses the me type-of rock? >=20 > That's also correct, and equivalent to "do ponse lo rokci pe mi". "pe > mi" attaches to the sumti "lo rokci", "me mi moi" is a tanru unit that > forms a tanru with "rokci". >=20 I believe I understand this well enough. In the context of {lo do ckiku ma zvati}, I believe these are equivalent?: .i do ponse lo rokci pe mi .i do ponse lo me mi moi rokci .i do ponse lo mi rokci .i mu'o mi'e .alyn. --=20 .i ko djuno fi le do sevzi --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.