From lojban+bncCIGHwM2rDhDVtIPlBBoE0sEpdQ@googlegroups.com Mon Sep 27 10:54:45 2010 Received: from mail-fx0-f61.google.com ([209.85.161.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1P0HuS-0003oo-BD; Mon, 27 Sep 2010 10:54:44 -0700 Received: by fxm17 with SMTP id 17sf1344144fxm.16 for ; Mon, 27 Sep 2010 10:54:34 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:received:received:date:from:to :subject:message-id:mail-followup-to:references:mime-version :in-reply-to:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help :list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-disposition:content-transfer-encoding; bh=gx+NqgDa5V2YquKVX7zWrrIYsOJvvVC8lCbIK0wl8oQ=; b=Mvy8GSM6ZhNh2xsxXIM93jjf45xNUYjGadNPDY2khNJF84OXrcDIRk3CWjYfwqwjF7 hz3FsDlJojM8fPEgsAMERxUBDGI5e6Ml47a1myFHkEJx9iPYy2Wr6C3Egm1GRy8hWjZh TXljAWT2ynrbpp+teaVC17L03bfesRIySjugU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:date:from:to:subject:message-id :mail-followup-to:references:mime-version:in-reply-to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-disposition:content-transfer-encoding; b=PKvcJl/igAxJdxvHcnUiGsty0Ix9hqUCfCNtZ5/uEPGxCdm5tpIeC/AhDkdLRvSjel Vgho7JUtWiddOAWg5lUK//VcXijp+Ug0ux3QMr0tON9zh9wR9E7wZ41mzfM+yOLy78JX LJxRR3ZELSe99kFoTKIVclPKbD3LBZTQxXI7U= Received: by 10.223.94.133 with SMTP id z5mr401235fam.23.1285610069281; Mon, 27 Sep 2010 10:54:29 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.204.137.193 with SMTP id x1ls1585337bkt.0.p; Mon, 27 Sep 2010 10:54:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.80.167 with SMTP id t39mr299482bkk.23.1285610067584; Mon, 27 Sep 2010 10:54:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.80.167 with SMTP id t39mr299481bkk.23.1285610067561; Mon, 27 Sep 2010 10:54:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-fx0-f47.google.com (mail-fx0-f47.google.com [209.85.161.47]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id p18si3225734bkb.4.2010.09.27.10.54.27; Mon, 27 Sep 2010 10:54:27 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 209.85.161.47 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of alanpost@sunflowerriver.org) client-ip=209.85.161.47; Received: by fxm8 with SMTP id 8so3211944fxm.20 for ; Mon, 27 Sep 2010 10:54:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.103.231.10 with SMTP id i10mr1219747mur.22.1285610066292; Mon, 27 Sep 2010 10:54:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sunflowerriver.org (173-10-243-253-Albuquerque.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [173.10.243.253]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id e35sm1561000vcs.33.2010.09.27.10.54.24 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 27 Sep 2010 10:54:25 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2010 11:54:22 -0600 From: Alan Post To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] nu pa moi se nunkei la'e lu lo do ckiku ma zvati li'u lu'u Message-ID: <20100927175422.GE25976@alice.local> Mail-Followup-To: lojban@googlegroups.com References: <20100925023935.GA18705@alice.local> <201009271901.55338.jezuch@interia.pl> <20100927171800.GB25976@alice.local> <201009271938.58364.jezuch@interia.pl> Mime-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: X-Original-Sender: alanpost@sunflowerriver.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 209.85.161.47 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of alanpost@sunflowerriver.org) smtp.mail=alanpost@sunflowerriver.org Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I was just about to comment that it this point in the CLL, the authors stopped trying to create examples that teach and started going for anything they cared to throw at the reader. My general impression of the CLL is that the quality of the examples degrades as the book progresses, and it is a shame that the one example of this use given involves uneeded grammar that obscures the main point. (If there is a main point...) -Alan On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 01:50:59PM -0400, Luke Bergen wrote: > hmmm. > {barda traji fa lo nu me mi moi fo lo mi pendo} > no, that's not right. I'm trying to think of an example where it actu= ally > would make sense to talk about the me-th member in a set of people. > {lo traji cu me mi moi lo mi pendo lo ka barda} maybe? > that {cu} is necessary right? If the {me} turns what follows into a > selbri then the {mi moi} would get sucked up in to a tanru with {traji= } > right? >=20 > On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 1:38 PM, Krzysztof Sobolewski > <[1]jezuch@interia.pl> wrote: >=20 > Dnia poniedzia=EF=BF=BDek, 27 wrze=EF=BF=BDnia 2010 o 19:18:18 Alan = Post napisa=EF=BF=BD(a): > > The one of these you are interested in is here: > > > > [2]http://dag.github.com/cll/18/11/ >=20 > Ah indeed, ki'e. > > I personally think it could use a bit of fleshing out, it glosses > > over a lot very fast. >=20 > Yeah, no wonder I didn't remember it... >=20 > "It is perfectly possible to use non-numerical sumti after "me" and > before a member of MOI, producing strange results indeed:" >=20 > Is it "perfectly possible" because there's no way to prevent it with > grammar itself, i.e. it's a bug that became a feature? ;) Because I > still don't have an idea what {me mi moi} would mean (me-th?). > -- > Ecce Jezuch > "-Oh, yeah, that was really cool! Huh, huh / -No, that also sucked..= . > -What do you know, asswipe? / -We know everything, buttmunch" > - Beavis & St. Peter >=20 > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Gro= ups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. >=20 > References >=20 > Visible links > 1. mailto:jezuch@interia.pl > 2. http://dag.github.com/cll/18/11/ --=20 .i ko djuno fi le do sevzi --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.