From lojban+bncCJ2UzZHuDRD8s4TlBBoErF6VQQ@googlegroups.com Mon Sep 27 15:26:19 2010 Received: from mail-wy0-f189.google.com ([74.125.82.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1P0M9H-0004aD-Sp; Mon, 27 Sep 2010 15:26:19 -0700 Received: by wyb40 with SMTP id 40sf1465830wyb.16 for ; Mon, 27 Sep 2010 15:26:09 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=MfJz+iHlVYZqFYOf03Ey84YBSiu6KP9+LH01iqgUgvo=; b=r0kb4V7a+w6PWGDl3/dLnTPznHF8RcA8crYWxS9zHGpH5uyAkfaykjGZTyot+NJlSB 1Sax3b3Uat7IxlGJ9EBMhjfG6ETf+K9ROZwXih6Gz6uV2o+D1H8DbR1y++uX7au9YAmE dGwYUVQKjUUk1h0uB87fMGHadXBnR0yWhOAAQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=XUXY1Ihf1Wf3bSWGLegfnHwAGixAuKG+D7CzLBerO7s2/XS2SNgFNIIY7jxJIGk+Uo za8PgWDjQGrjoKDMO0UNZmmKJUPvSLCjszVc/EoYMxQrwGs78xRmDVoGQwrtvis00Ykf jLuenrOKOnDogm8nepxUc5gmFIo2ZmikSt/74= Received: by 10.216.145.9 with SMTP id o9mr1378896wej.0.1285626364872; Mon, 27 Sep 2010 15:26:04 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.216.237.165 with SMTP id y37ls1090083weq.1.p; Mon, 27 Sep 2010 15:26:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.150.223 with SMTP id z73mr401785wej.0.1285626363606; Mon, 27 Sep 2010 15:26:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.150.223 with SMTP id z73mr401784wej.0.1285626363575; Mon, 27 Sep 2010 15:26:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wy0-f175.google.com (mail-wy0-f175.google.com [74.125.82.175]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id v4si2104450weq.9.2010.09.27.15.26.02; Mon, 27 Sep 2010 15:26:02 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.175 as permitted sender) client-ip=74.125.82.175; Received: by wyb35 with SMTP id 35so3238512wyb.34 for ; Mon, 27 Sep 2010 15:26:02 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.227.156.12 with SMTP id u12mr6775758wbw.213.1285626362362; Mon, 27 Sep 2010 15:26:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.145.130 with HTTP; Mon, 27 Sep 2010 15:26:01 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <20100925023935.GA18705@alice.local> <201009271901.55338.jezuch@interia.pl> <20100927171800.GB25976@alice.local> <201009271938.58364.jezuch@interia.pl> <20100927175015.GD25976@alice.local> <20100927181351.GF25976@alice.local> <20100927181641.GG25976@alice.local> Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2010 19:26:01 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] nu pa moi se nunkei la'e lu lo do ckiku ma zvati li'u lu'u From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: jjllambias@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.175 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jjllambias@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 4:27 PM, Luke Bergen wrote: > > poi - noi > pe - ne > po'u - no'u > and po and po'e are like their own little beasts. =A0Which brings up anot= her > question. =A0Why no incidental versions of {po} and {po'e}? =A0All the ot= her > restrictive markers have incidental counterparts. The question I would ask instead is why bother with "po" and "po'e" at all? "po" can only be useful to someone really obsessed with property, otherwise "pe" works just fine, and in the cases when it's really important to emphasize a property relationship, then you can always say "poi se ponse". What's so special about the "ponse" relationship that it needs a special shortcut word? So you don't really need an incidental version of "po", you can just use "noi se ponse" if the need ever arises. As for "po'e", it is really hard to come up with an example where you would use "po'e" instead of "be". "po'e" doesn't really make much sense for a language like Lojban where all the words are intrinsically relationships. And I don't even know what you would do with an incidental version of "po'e", since even the restrictive version is so useless. What did you need it for? mu'o mi'e xorxes --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. 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