From lojban+bncCK7Yk5CUCxCY9oflBBoEpAXSXA@googlegroups.com Tue Sep 28 07:26:50 2010 Received: from mail-pw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.160.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1P0b8l-0000F7-PQ; Tue, 28 Sep 2010 07:26:49 -0700 Received: by pwj6 with SMTP id 6sf3201084pwj.16 for ; Tue, 28 Sep 2010 07:26:38 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=Wobwq8XnpeqkrbsjKjyAYF9q/VmYw7oScPTInICVC6c=; b=CF8jX7p14lnhF5wPcIyzMA1mWPz6HyqWY6Y1cX53mRkSDr5dCXQ03w5XqKQTbZZoYg zvwzH+uHkjiL2FnBrxdazKVx/g9paLnhA2zwasnAZfMIZSOdO0b3zISm3Sun/EYfg5uA 0/d4ZxkYwsLV8i44LicknslP9cYOPgB5mEIG4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=E9VnqGDEYA+a36IobmkBlVS/fkCAS2IPtzSplaPGgToVNTfviySv10YccBnp5Cq3PJ uz3UecmbvRY8Lyo8MDvW8HpzxkjKsGyDcEnLEzlEPtlRsxRCB71GGSGN+N6kWShHbbBE ClVDu4kdwBMLxRJb9H0n/mSLNGwnJtS3R/aoo= Received: by 10.115.99.13 with SMTP id b13mr1925wam.29.1285683992096; Tue, 28 Sep 2010 07:26:32 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.115.98.19 with SMTP id a19ls5444495wam.1.p; Tue, 28 Sep 2010 07:26:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.73.20 with SMTP id v20mr3695748waa.37.1285683990887; Tue, 28 Sep 2010 07:26:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.73.20 with SMTP id v20mr3695745waa.37.1285683990793; Tue, 28 Sep 2010 07:26:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-px0-f171.google.com (mail-px0-f171.google.com [209.85.212.171]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id d25si8858118wam.0.2010.09.28.07.26.29; Tue, 28 Sep 2010 07:26:29 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of rdentato@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.171 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.212.171; Received: by pxi19 with SMTP id 19so1886260pxi.30 for ; Tue, 28 Sep 2010 07:26:29 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.143.159.7 with SMTP id l7mr9377wfo.114.1285683985765; Tue, 28 Sep 2010 07:26:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.53.21 with HTTP; Tue, 28 Sep 2010 07:26:25 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2010 16:26:25 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] [update] le virnu smani blozeile'a From: Remo Dentato To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: rdentato@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of rdentato@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.171 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=rdentato@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 3:08 PM, Michael Turniansky wrote: > =A0 Marvelous story!=A0 And I=A0discovered something every=A03-5 year old= knows. > It's much easier to understand things in a language you are just learning= to > read if there are pictures to guide you! I must admit that I selfishly started under the assumption that a children book would have been easier to translate but I really hope that the result will be useful for newcomers that might start testing their lojban reading something simpler and then moving to more complex texts. > =A0 I respectfully disagree with pir about "jinku", though.=A0 I think th= e gismu > is broad enough to include supplements, as well. It seems that we ended up on the fu'ivla "braxiura" for now. > =A0 I have one quibble with the story, though.=A0 I looked at "i ca'o le > je'erse'a ku ganai do mutce danre jgari le rokci gi'e kancu fi li ci gi d= o > muvdu ba'o lenu je'erse'a"=A0 And thought, "If you=A0squeeze the rock ver= y > tightly (btw, I'd probably use jdari rather than danre, but that's just m= e) > during the shot, and count to three, then after the shot you will move"? > Huh?=A0Rather than ba'o, I'd say perhaps "lo balvi be" (you will move to = the > thing in the future of the shot event) I'm not sure how they differ. I understood that "ba'o" is "in the aftermath of ...". I tried to render "... you will be moved after the shot". > =A0(Also I should like to point=A0out the use of "da'i" for use in "if...= then" > hypotheticals+results, rather than "ganai...gi", which refers to the Logical connectives are something I did not quite get yet.... I plan to revisit the translation once I will be more proficient in Lojban and will try to incorporate your suggestions too. Thanks, Remo --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.