From lojban+bncCOjSjrXVGBCpi4jlBBoEyDwWYg@googlegroups.com Tue Sep 28 08:11:54 2010 Received: from mail-gw0-f61.google.com ([74.125.83.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1P0bqP-0002Mv-Rx; Tue, 28 Sep 2010 08:11:53 -0700 Received: by gwb11 with SMTP id 11sf5481275gwb.16 for ; Tue, 28 Sep 2010 08:11:43 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=5NaDprcNlV0POD9Q+x5ZvAl+7XB517cjSTMeaxSZB7g=; b=IRHtz88z96wUS2Usydj3mlLrIqwv+2P+BV7moCjs12NMAcmLsiD5CC0Wb3Y4w2Nje9 Zo5peZU+8uTmgV1qobCGml4oec9R4Ls3c83pdo7Y6p2f45t0LjTrmei5p/61LRlJ8VuN RgmFEsQQHjF50itQm0brId++RAvjS9aTMpH9U= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=mhjNTy665ticFz7PbzqK+LSTf/Qch0PGOX8ryAxs/LZXAqEydIdtCJ/XTRXYoXjrrE OL6FIBywK2O+u5nlhkLofo036CmyAdyBzFhwq3WXfRpIlOi6TIEh6Cd6yUvLt8r38bEg WYReT0TJJd/97vqw4N+jU1dHTl4z4KA/+k/Xk= Received: by 10.100.233.35 with SMTP id f35mr4876anh.40.1285686697699; Tue, 28 Sep 2010 08:11:37 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.101.131.11 with SMTP id i11ls1726935ann.5.p; Tue, 28 Sep 2010 08:11:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.33.13 with SMTP id g13mr18832ang.49.1285686697065; Tue, 28 Sep 2010 08:11:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.33.13 with SMTP id g13mr18829ang.49.1285686696973; Tue, 28 Sep 2010 08:11:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-yw0-f43.google.com (mail-yw0-f43.google.com [209.85.213.43]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id q4si4462897ane.6.2010.09.28.08.11.35; Tue, 28 Sep 2010 08:11:35 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of lukeabergen@gmail.com designates 209.85.213.43 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.213.43; Received: by mail-yw0-f43.google.com with SMTP id 3so2293093ywj.30 for ; Tue, 28 Sep 2010 08:11:35 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.32.140 with SMTP id c12mr55233ibd.90.1285686693669; Tue, 28 Sep 2010 08:11:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.48.79 with HTTP; Tue, 28 Sep 2010 08:11:31 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2010 11:11:31 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] More glico ambiguous sentences From: Luke Bergen To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: lukeabergen@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of lukeabergen@gmail.com designates 209.85.213.43 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=lukeabergen@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000325575e52ac5c870491534234 --000325575e52ac5c870491534234 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 ooo, good one. On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 10:20 AM, Philip Newton wrote: > On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 21:56, Luke Bergen wrote: > > Nope. It was as generic as I made it. "do not block air flow to avoid > > danger". The ambiguity being that it could be "do not (block air flow to > > avoid danger)" as in, people might think that blocking air flow would > help > > them avoid danger but they shouldn't do it (silly but grammatical way to > > interpret it) or "do not (block air flow) [which will help you] to avoid > > danger". Basically the scope of the "do not" isn't clear > > There's also "do not (block (air flow to avoid danger))", i.e. there > is some air flow which (currently, constantly, or in general) avoids > danger, and people are advised not to block it. > > Cheers, > Philip > -- > Philip Newton > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. --000325575e52ac5c870491534234 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ooo, good one.

On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 10= :20 AM, Philip Newton <philip.newton@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 21:56, Luke Bergen <lukeabergen@gmail.com> wrote:
> Nope.=A0 It was as generic as I made it.=A0 "do not block air flo= w to avoid
> danger".=A0 The ambiguity being that it could be "do not (bl= ock air flow to
> avoid danger)"=A0 as in, people might think that blocking air flo= w would help
> them avoid danger but they shouldn't do it (silly but grammatical = way to
> interpret it) or "do not (block air flow) [which will help you] t= o avoid
> danger".=A0 Basically the scope of the "do not" isn'= ;t clear

There's also "do not (block (air flow to avoid danger))"= ;, i.e. there
is some air flow which (currently, constantly, or in general) avoids
danger, and people are advised not to block it.

Cheers,
Philip
--
Philip Newton <philip.newton@= gmail.com>

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