From lojban+bncCIXj1IxCEPP8jOUEGgRvKHLr@googlegroups.com Wed Sep 29 06:26:33 2010 Received: from mail-gw0-f61.google.com ([74.125.83.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1P0wfv-0003NK-1g; Wed, 29 Sep 2010 06:26:33 -0700 Received: by gwb11 with SMTP id 11sf971295gwb.16 for ; Wed, 29 Sep 2010 06:26:17 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:received:received :x-yahoo-newman-property:x-yahoo-newman-id:received:message-id :x-ymail-osg:received:x-mailer:references:date:from:subject:to :in-reply-to:mime-version:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=v5IH5Pgja44Ovmc6JWAACcuxJxUWnSB+8eMrmaIIRdI=; b=nMnJ+LTK9R79CSZQb7XzDbpQIMOtRTEoGGvO8GA0++r6WyFZd+opjHRb9oq6IJRz8Q rVLSi/XIepXvFxmpA+LfP79i4082Vm4CITnv18apkQJS2G0LLJe1epILisjnpSbMZtJJ 4Lf2dDGCMa/HM3rBlpr4y9dxp4oy1xIutNO5s= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:x-yahoo-newman-property:x-yahoo-newman-id :message-id:x-ymail-osg:x-mailer:references:date:from:subject:to :in-reply-to:mime-version:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=eBy8he1QfsmDEfkQJJrAJv7b09SDUzVERcW88iEgWrsyod6LwXsa1RMtM8PVM6G7Tr 9sSFCUhYujUl4yy+J9CyAA4QpCWUvpnK4CDDP1CdffhPW+GELrrYYxF9hN9X/pX4egfs Trn0mbuDTR4zPrj6Zd21AQuKAyU/C3tjtAeCg= Received: by 10.101.131.33 with SMTP id i33mr96602ann.63.1285766771421; Wed, 29 Sep 2010 06:26:11 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.101.194.29 with SMTP id w29ls303425anp.1.p; Wed, 29 Sep 2010 06:26:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.92.10 with SMTP id p10mr751777anb.21.1285766771002; Wed, 29 Sep 2010 06:26:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.92.10 with SMTP id p10mr751776anb.21.1285766770961; Wed, 29 Sep 2010 06:26:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from n3.bullet.mail.re4.yahoo.com (n3.bullet.mail.re4.yahoo.com [206.190.56.22]) by gmr-mx.google.com with SMTP id b25si5425799anb.0.2010.09.29.06.26.09; Wed, 29 Sep 2010 06:26:09 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 206.190.56.22 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of totus@rogers.com) client-ip=206.190.56.22; Received: from [68.142.237.90] by n3.bullet.re4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Sep 2010 13:26:09 -0000 Received: from [66.196.97.145] by t6.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Sep 2010 13:26:09 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp203.mail.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Sep 2010 13:26:09 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 674407.83764.bm@omp203.mail.re3.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 86480 invoked by uid 60001); 29 Sep 2010 13:26:09 -0000 Message-ID: <514821.86177.qm@web88004.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: eyiLtNQVM1lKvv0CsKPJ4tMFQqbgzxvob_7uL4CSwUdCbkm OeLvysJ4M_2i9A_p79DRl9xZoUryqIMk7f3YXLiWYa0hdmSbChGccp7dacaB u5EBTjeUWwbcrGZXC19BrVzI3RaOQOtsVG30_g65maA.syHx_vS8A36ydKm1 455aBOCXsjNLXXFPVyaA2xpuwuKOo72a7ElGofMPmaHDyEQOBDalIAfu6VVB uQmT3ERPpG2JFVD6RSLjY_pcbN2mSYODQqNpy799nlnBRSA_fvcmQw2BqYIi Z9MmNfUlz1RTpi5p6Xt78n6RF3zTci347r4xPQTO3ShtWR8AofgV860KRMOm WDg-- Received: from [99.229.170.85] by web88004.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 29 Sep 2010 06:26:09 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/497 YahooMailWebService/0.8.105.279950 References: <3fb41468-d367-4724-97da-df8ca4fe7187@w19g2000yqb.googlegroups.com> Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2010 06:26:09 -0700 (PDT) From: "A. PIEKARSKI" Subject: =?UTF-8?Q?Re=3A_=5Blojban=5D_Spelling_of_the_name_of_the_Lojban_in_P?= =?UTF-8?Q?olish_=28matter_of_=27Lojban=27_or_=27Lo=C5=BCban=27=29?= To: lojban@googlegroups.com In-Reply-To: <3fb41468-d367-4724-97da-df8ca4fe7187@w19g2000yqb.googlegroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Sender: totus@rogers.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 206.190.56.22 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of totus@rogers.com) smtp.mail=totus@rogers.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@rogers.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Use 'Lo=C5=BCban'.=C2=A0 After all, in Polish we say and write =C2=A0'angie= lski' not=20 "English'.=C2=A0=20 mu'o totus ----- Original Message ---- > From: Marek Rogalski > To: lojban > Sent: Wed, September 29, 2010 2:54:59 AM > Subject: [lojban] Spelling of the name of the Lojban in Polish (matter of= =20 >'Lojban' or 'Lo=C5=BCban') >=20 > This question is adressed mainly to people who (more or less) speak > polish. >=20 > I have been translating some stuff on tiki a few minutes ago and > encountered a problem which many of you could happen to find: what > spelling of word 'Lojban' should we use in Polish? >=20 > Since in the word 'Lojban' there is a sound represented by a letter > '=C5=BC' in Polish, spelling 'Lo=C5=BCban' would seem perfect for a phone= tic > translation (which i think is better for a spoken language). Further > problem arise when we try to place new word somewhere in a sentence. > It needs proper flexical parts to be understood correctly. We end up > with declination of word 'Lo=C5=BCban': > M Lo=C5=BCban > D Lo=C5=BCnanu > C Lo=C5=BCbanowi > B Lo=C5=BCban > N (z) Lo=C5=BCbanem > M (o) Lo=C5=BCbanie > W Lo=C5=BCbanie! > Using this method (first polonizing letters and then declinating the > word according to polish grammar) we can speak and write about lojban > words (mainly 'Lojban' name) in Polish. >=20 > There is also other approach which is widely used (first of all on > polish 'Lojban' wiki page). In this approach we speak the same way as > in the previous. The only difference is writing word 'Lojban' as > 'Lojban' which, by native polish speakers is read rather as 'Loyban'. > When we use this method we also have to declinate the word: > M Lojban > D Lojnanu > C Lojbanowi > B Lojban > N (z) Lojbanem > M (o) Lojbanie > W Lojbanie! > I have personally met three people who encountered Lojban before, and > (in most of the cases ;) ) their reading of the word sounded like > 'loyban'. >=20 > Writing about Lojban needs consistence in its name (read or written). > What do you think should be official spelling of the Lojban name in > Polish? >=20 > -- > Marek Rogalski >=20 > --=20 > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups= =20 >"lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to=20 >lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at=20 >http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. >=20 >=20 --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. 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