From lojban+bncCJrK5PGGEBD2zo3lBBoE095FMA@googlegroups.com Wed Sep 29 09:32:35 2010 Received: from mail-ww0-f61.google.com ([74.125.82.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1P0zZz-0008AI-Bg; Wed, 29 Sep 2010 09:32:35 -0700 Received: by wwe15 with SMTP id 15sf247126wwe.16 for ; Wed, 29 Sep 2010 09:32:20 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:received:received:from:organization :to:subject:date:user-agent:references:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:message-id :x-interia-antivirus:x-emid:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe; bh=8H75TyP2dPotdU+mUU2IGIQ7zrRTc2paPjiSWKkkanQ=; b=M4fON/TBtipEWV7vHygAMVU3u414iFiSjnbXS/zm9R+B47isIBGAV5DYXOexXfbP7T K7llKsvdOWcJoQ/3ClUdzne9UH9HO2Cp/45KvGnaEM64J08gVpLN6iOWSONSyS8vGgyi own0U/sQyrgKvjdQ4DYTgJcs0PkLBbt+1YGVo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:from:organization:to:subject:date :user-agent:references:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:x-interia-antivirus:x-emid :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe; b=2AcUNRfnHCiD2dYF1gYxLzsDMRk+vF5DjNYK/Iql4PBnBjJy7GActmjD91saaWBnu4 TNYfsBHikWl/NwvyR9vuIGjawYg3JxZZ+lAfWZwkOi9yaUgY0/aOsxJn8oAtLihgt08k kiRzTBijY7YtTKXAICk2x6YguFwsfrC6Iyrvs= Received: by 10.216.144.67 with SMTP id m45mr527689wej.2.1285777270806; Wed, 29 Sep 2010 09:21:10 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.14.35.157 with SMTP id u29ls66522eea.6.p; Wed, 29 Sep 2010 09:21:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.14.127.12 with SMTP id c12mr138831eei.1.1285777269107; Wed, 29 Sep 2010 09:21:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.14.127.12 with SMTP id c12mr138830eei.1.1285777269071; Wed, 29 Sep 2010 09:21:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtpo.poczta.interia.pl (smtpo.poczta.interia.pl [217.74.65.205]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id r57si9040732eeh.1.2010.09.29.09.21.08; Wed, 29 Sep 2010 09:21:09 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jezuch@interia.pl designates 217.74.65.205 as permitted sender) client-ip=217.74.65.205; Received: by smtpo.poczta.interia.pl (INTERIA.PL, from userid 502) id BE85F1A42BBB; Wed, 29 Sep 2010 18:21:08 +0200 (CEST) Received: from zx-spectrum-1 (c204.idd156.nettete.pl [77.79.204.156]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by poczta.interia.pl (INTERIA.PL) with ESMTPSA for ; Wed, 29 Sep 2010 18:21:07 +0200 (CEST) Received: from jezuch by zx-spectrum-1 with local (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1P0zOv-0007mB-PW for lojban@googlegroups.com; Wed, 29 Sep 2010 18:21:02 +0200 From: Krzysztof Sobolewski Organization: Sobole To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: =?UTF-8?Q?Re=3A_=5Blojban=5D_Spelling_of_the_name_of_the_Lojban_in_P?= =?UTF-8?Q?olish_=28matter_of_=27Lojban=27_or__=27Lo=C5=BCban=27=29?= Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2010 18:20:56 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.5 (Linux/2.6.33.7; KDE/4.4.5; x86_64; ; ) References: <3fb41468-d367-4724-97da-df8ca4fe7187@w19g2000yqb.googlegroups.com> <201009290706.31155.phma@phma.optus.nu> In-Reply-To: <201009290706.31155.phma@phma.optus.nu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart1614989.LX3SoGfIsT"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <201009291821.01693.jezuch@interia.pl> X-Interia-Antivirus: OK X-EMID: 7af48acc X-Original-Sender: jezuch@interia.pl X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jezuch@interia.pl designates 217.74.65.205 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jezuch@interia.pl Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , --nextPart1614989.LX3SoGfIsT Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dnia =C5=9Broda, 29 wrze=C5=9Bnia 2010 o 13:06:29 Pierre Abbat napisa=C5=82= (a): > I'd go with "Lo=C5=BCban". What does Polish do with names of remote langu= ages,=20 > which English normally takes with no "-ish" or "-ese" suffix, such as Dyi= rbal=20 > or Dayak? I think it depends. If it requires transliteration, it gets transliterated = phonetically, but if it's originally in Latin alphabet, it keeps original s= pelling. I'm not an expert though. > Is the dative (?) case supposed to have "n" instead of "b"? No, it's a typo :) > Then there are words like "gismu" and "fu'ivla". If I were writing in Rus= sian,=20 > I'd treat them as undeclined (as I do in English); The same in Polish. There are many borrowings that behave this way, at leas= t initially. Some of them become "polonized" with time (e.g. "radio") and a= cquire declined forms, but I don't think "gismu" is threatened with that ;) =2D-=20 Ecce Jezuch "Hell is other people" - J-P. 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