From lojban+bncCJrK5PGGEBD91o3lBBoEITMVBQ@googlegroups.com Wed Sep 29 09:44:11 2010 Received: from mail-ww0-f61.google.com ([74.125.82.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1P0zlH-0003bN-Ez; Wed, 29 Sep 2010 09:44:11 -0700 Received: by wwe15 with SMTP id 15sf251014wwe.16 for ; Wed, 29 Sep 2010 09:44:01 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:received:received:from:organization :to:subject:date:user-agent:references:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:message-id :x-interia-antivirus:x-emid:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe; bh=6ORpW3hTFpw52j9yoKSCHVGNKjNLUgzx0A0/IaaVcJo=; b=hGzvYeIUttESrUj/7M593BrgcmGu6EvexcU3s3nXxUM2l9dSkXb6cXUY9k87ovhGth AJBjOsrjaJL/9P38817WtDz+g+RhZT8+OmlZk2yryaksolTEg0QWODYMsqSJMwAeLjdU d2i8CdAXjeNVdC6dawZjMXE7WyC6oXbN51ek4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:from:organization:to:subject:date :user-agent:references:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:x-interia-antivirus:x-emid :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe; b=leKItf5cQ2tyW+gTUggkv76Ah0KC7OSBTvr2yqNAQXDSkVJJFfXM4Yf0qhuJNmL9KN vcwe0nJ9UtMtheui6HQIecsFx7QwhUCDzleIb2qp42z4UW3nLPI4GXiZSeQ08yMKuM+P orpa4u+/5djhuE/biSmbeTkuQQqU8SpandsXg= Received: by 10.216.145.90 with SMTP id o68mr530230wej.23.1285778301424; Wed, 29 Sep 2010 09:38:21 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.14.46.205 with SMTP id r53ls67993eeb.7.p; Wed, 29 Sep 2010 09:37:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.14.29.80 with SMTP id h56mr132319eea.12.1285778279841; Wed, 29 Sep 2010 09:37:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.14.29.80 with SMTP id h56mr132318eea.12.1285778279794; Wed, 29 Sep 2010 09:37:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtpo.poczta.interia.pl (smtpo.poczta.interia.pl [217.74.65.205]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id a48si9053706eei.6.2010.09.29.09.37.59; Wed, 29 Sep 2010 09:37:59 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jezuch@interia.pl designates 217.74.65.205 as permitted sender) client-ip=217.74.65.205; Received: by smtpo.poczta.interia.pl (INTERIA.PL, from userid 502) id 3667FBE4D1; Wed, 29 Sep 2010 18:37:59 +0200 (CEST) Received: from zx-spectrum-1 (c204.idd156.nettete.pl [77.79.204.156]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by poczta.interia.pl (INTERIA.PL) with ESMTPSA for ; Wed, 29 Sep 2010 18:37:57 +0200 (CEST) Received: from jezuch by zx-spectrum-1 with local (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1P0zfJ-00083E-DF for lojban@googlegroups.com; Wed, 29 Sep 2010 18:37:57 +0200 From: Krzysztof Sobolewski Organization: Sobole To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] To Polish fellow lojbanists Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2010 18:37:56 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.5 (Linux/2.6.33.7; KDE/4.4.5; x86_64; ; ) References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart25238948.imPPDItW1E"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <201009291837.57382.jezuch@interia.pl> X-Interia-Antivirus: OK X-EMID: 8d848acc X-Original-Sender: jezuch@interia.pl X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jezuch@interia.pl designates 217.74.65.205 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jezuch@interia.pl Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , --nextPart25238948.imPPDItW1E Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dnia =B6roda, 29 wrze=B6nia 2010 o 09:31:02 Remo Dentato napisa=B3(a): > Unfortunately I got stuck at finding a direct correspondence between > lojban and Polish phonemes trying to differentiate between {'} and > {x}. Huh, I was wondering about that too ;) I treat the instructions that {'} is= "silent h" very literally and don't pronunce it at all ;) (At least in my = mind, as I don't have many occasions to speak lojban) But from what I heard= I seem to be alone in that, and it's kinda problematic because although th= ere is a theoretical difference between "h" and "ch", it's mostly, if not e= ntirely, gone from modern Polish. So I have just one mental model for "h" a= nd hesitate to use it for both {x} and {'}. So could some confirm that using the same sound for {x} and {'} does not in= troduce ambiguity? :) =2D-=20 Ecce Jezuch "Did I have the dream, or did the dream have me?" =2DN. 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