From lojban+bncCJrK5PGGEBD79I3lBBoENd_ukw@googlegroups.com Wed Sep 29 10:42:35 2010 Received: from mail-wy0-f189.google.com ([74.125.82.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1P10fn-0000D6-Ms; Wed, 29 Sep 2010 10:42:35 -0700 Received: by wyb40 with SMTP id 40sf284119wyb.16 for ; Wed, 29 Sep 2010 10:42:24 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:received:received:from:organization :to:subject:date:user-agent:references:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:message-id :x-interia-antivirus:x-emid:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe; bh=ao/kr/w7PYMqZn26wly+uvYWgd7H3Xu0kIZaPN6PZvs=; b=uYcbrsCRnl7wcmwY65yH6sjV+Xs4m32ptFgAXUKPZgBYnU+yBnkAxfD5iQOCRaxCDY 3ZJnW53dj3nckPqPzGH+HvVTscaKCdQgx8ly6KF7AL06fFp3NgiuAugX7OYpqHx8tsBH IWC+6bTPRcmo61pr0su9GXxHq0PE0C3gGwlMI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:from:organization:to:subject:date :user-agent:references:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:x-interia-antivirus:x-emid :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe; b=2Uyh7kIOT6QpzgXKfqiWrx/vwkK2bhge4VdLQR3UtOFZwHK3fbYhft8gK0pg8KcHqT UqQPaYgGSsffLFIgbmbN0Ghq5zT2lOQO+BneuLFRrHv+JuEXSFDlPRccU56e+t3DTNpa WW+vlkjrYItbipViRnAgz17cy09hCnfS0HfkQ= Received: by 10.216.145.90 with SMTP id o68mr585126wej.23.1285782139109; Wed, 29 Sep 2010 10:42:19 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.14.14.140 with SMTP id d12ls75298eed.1.p; Wed, 29 Sep 2010 10:42:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.14.127.77 with SMTP id c53mr135549eei.17.1285782137758; Wed, 29 Sep 2010 10:42:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.14.127.77 with SMTP id c53mr135548eei.17.1285782137726; Wed, 29 Sep 2010 10:42:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtpo.poczta.interia.pl (smtpo.poczta.interia.pl [217.74.65.205]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id a48si9119256eei.6.2010.09.29.10.42.17; Wed, 29 Sep 2010 10:42:17 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jezuch@interia.pl designates 217.74.65.205 as permitted sender) client-ip=217.74.65.205; Received: by smtpo.poczta.interia.pl (INTERIA.PL, from userid 502) id 202B7102CE1C; Wed, 29 Sep 2010 19:42:17 +0200 (CEST) Received: from zx-spectrum-1 (c204.idd156.nettete.pl [77.79.204.156]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by poczta.interia.pl (INTERIA.PL) with ESMTPSA for ; Wed, 29 Sep 2010 19:42:15 +0200 (CEST) Received: from jezuch by zx-spectrum-1 with local (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1P10mO-000189-Bz for lojban@googlegroups.com; Wed, 29 Sep 2010 19:49:20 +0200 From: Krzysztof Sobolewski Organization: Sobole To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] To Polish fellow lojbanists Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2010 19:49:16 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.5 (Linux/2.6.33.7-test; KDE/4.4.5; x86_64; ; ) References: <201009291837.57382.jezuch@interia.pl> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart1578854.Z0hktEh0Ke"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <201009291949.20202.jezuch@interia.pl> X-Interia-Antivirus: OK X-EMID: 18448acc X-Original-Sender: jezuch@interia.pl X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jezuch@interia.pl designates 217.74.65.205 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jezuch@interia.pl Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , --nextPart1578854.Z0hktEh0Ke Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dnia =B6roda, 29 wrze=B6nia 2010 o 19:13:54 Jorge Llamb=EDas napisa=B3(a): > 2010/9/29 Krzysztof Sobolewski : > > > > So could some confirm that using the same sound for {x} and {'} does no= t introduce ambiguity? :) >=20 > It introduces plenty of ambiguity. Just consider any CV'V cmavo for a > start, which becomes indistinguishable from the two cmavo CV xV. Well then, I think I'll stick with silent {'}. But this is problematic with= things like {du'u} or {zo'o}. Is there any hope for people who don't see (= hear) any difference between [x] and [h] (both in IPA, according to Wikiped= ia)? ;) =2D-=20 Ecce Jezuch "Why are we here? Because we're here. Why does it happen? Because it happens. Roll the bones." - N. Peart --nextPart1578854.Z0hktEh0Ke Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) iEYEABECAAYFAkyjfBwACgkQy0fq9RM+TxiEDQCgytlj/gVyAj9IogQzgBHLFG1p fWAAni5EOC+EHWHhPsZ+r5u5UuZW3Vm6 =hu+x -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nextPart1578854.Z0hktEh0Ke--