From lojban+bncCJ2UzZHuDRCH-Y3lBBoETURHEQ@googlegroups.com Wed Sep 29 10:51:18 2010 Received: from mail-ww0-f61.google.com ([74.125.82.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1P10oE-0000ga-Sq; Wed, 29 Sep 2010 10:51:18 -0700 Received: by wwe15 with SMTP id 15sf289127wwe.16 for ; Wed, 29 Sep 2010 10:51:08 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=XEl82eS1VQz5b39X8wwWqNXfOht7IimtiLhhGq3Ou/s=; b=OjFeWJGc/NTWy8iTjFSob89/RfydNJV2QH2KR90r6eQ3AVZUaVJpuHc6UFMvtePnWm NLpKP0sc9mXQTZVG9Pje7k8fmKURB1ZxsBbUFvbwT5C76Ut9SThZp0UZPDO00he52WI2 GdO9NCKKHdDtH9O+M+Vh7Ua7peh1TwiTvHbBw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=NGfmDNKYMiA9ayQZe89pdpTF2vzGgYMHx5ykCBsTKmoPc4icv5+PUhQRncDZcsOLeO q9Kwe8+U/5M/dqNxUm5eMO2gFv2J6/9v4Mjy9oh/Jhcoeu68UH1cpGcsRGVXo6Jiwyeu 4t+xbLmDuNz38x/QmFRFM20CLNQyC3LX54n6g= Received: by 10.216.144.196 with SMTP id n46mr546391wej.21.1285782663678; Wed, 29 Sep 2010 10:51:03 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.216.237.134 with SMTP id y6ls396467weq.2.p; Wed, 29 Sep 2010 10:51:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.37.211 with SMTP id y61mr111582wea.14.1285782661787; Wed, 29 Sep 2010 10:51:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.37.211 with SMTP id y61mr111581wea.14.1285782661754; Wed, 29 Sep 2010 10:51:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wy0-f178.google.com (mail-wy0-f178.google.com [74.125.82.178]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id o41si2916190weq.12.2010.09.29.10.51.00; Wed, 29 Sep 2010 10:51:00 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.178 as permitted sender) client-ip=74.125.82.178; Received: by mail-wy0-f178.google.com with SMTP id 40so866747wyb.9 for ; Wed, 29 Sep 2010 10:51:00 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.227.156.196 with SMTP id y4mr1643514wbw.219.1285782660423; Wed, 29 Sep 2010 10:51:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.145.130 with HTTP; Wed, 29 Sep 2010 10:51:00 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <201009291949.20202.jezuch@interia.pl> References: <201009291837.57382.jezuch@interia.pl> <201009291949.20202.jezuch@interia.pl> Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2010 14:51:00 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] To Polish fellow lojbanists From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: jjllambias@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.178 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jjllambias@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 2010/9/29 Krzysztof Sobolewski : > Dnia =B6roda, 29 wrze=B6nia 2010 o 19:13:54 Jorge Llamb=EDas napisa=B3(a)= : >> 2010/9/29 Krzysztof Sobolewski : >> > So could some confirm that using the same sound for {x} and {'} does n= ot introduce ambiguity? :) >> It introduces plenty of ambiguity. Just consider any CV'V cmavo for a >> start, which becomes indistinguishable from the two cmavo CV xV. > > Well then, I think I'll stick with silent {'}. But this is problematic wi= th things like {du'u} or {zo'o}. Is there any hope for people who don't see= (hear) any difference between [x] and [h] (both in IPA, according to Wikip= edia)? ;) Semantic context will often help. There are other distinctions that can be just as problematic for other people, so you can count yourself lucky if that's the only one that gives you trouble. For Spanish speakers s/z, c/j, b/v, and y/e, as well as x/' are often not easy to tell apart. mu'o mi'e xorxes --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.