From lojban+bncCJrK5PGGEBDPio7lBBoElaO2og@googlegroups.com Wed Sep 29 11:28:48 2010 Received: from mail-ww0-f61.google.com ([74.125.82.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1P11OV-0006c8-4m; Wed, 29 Sep 2010 11:28:48 -0700 Received: by wwe15 with SMTP id 15sf298149wwe.16 for ; Wed, 29 Sep 2010 11:28:36 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:received:received:from:organization :to:subject:date:user-agent:references:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:message-id :x-interia-antivirus:x-emid:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe; bh=CWbgXGWI+8YZF25xDBtCQdCAcv+54g5BARSf2Ms806g=; b=xOQDg0dVsTUo5JG9JKzlh/PBay8YsN1BNkuEMepv1pu+W58of6nGYA7VoBHAgc421C EqWKeulYJt30iexWs9JGX4qxx0dMJ0777ZkqWjgmgkN/rWRHDVhpIwcMc9k6JsW6yFUe Jgl9nnR/sk8sK139o7jcjyjNDQj5Vr33UIjGs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:from:organization:to:subject:date :user-agent:references:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:x-interia-antivirus:x-emid :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe; b=LiV7HPvQcRtx4cDOa/iDIW8KVc6RQSXcr7V9KzHNepOmWHQpEflV4aaBbUVjV7/RrG GyE4YIQA+pnsY84TVGTnWKJmQmcZtVcAlYg1D1DgQjSEb5GReFK4RXbHQPpBCGchauHh uHLWKJ2bB/rYKSp3hpTbtCiPWGW5r83gm6IyQ= Received: by 10.216.145.214 with SMTP id p64mr593287wej.27.1285784911743; Wed, 29 Sep 2010 11:28:31 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.14.46.209 with SMTP id r57ls80348eeb.2.p; Wed, 29 Sep 2010 11:28:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.14.127.131 with SMTP id d3mr148363eei.11.1285784910324; Wed, 29 Sep 2010 11:28:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.14.127.131 with SMTP id d3mr148362eei.11.1285784910239; Wed, 29 Sep 2010 11:28:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtpo.poczta.interia.pl (smtpo.poczta.interia.pl [217.74.65.205]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id r57si9169305eeh.1.2010.09.29.11.28.30; Wed, 29 Sep 2010 11:28:30 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jezuch@interia.pl designates 217.74.65.205 as permitted sender) client-ip=217.74.65.205; Received: by smtpo.poczta.interia.pl (INTERIA.PL, from userid 502) id EF763105AE1E; Wed, 29 Sep 2010 20:28:29 +0200 (CEST) Received: from zx-spectrum-1 (c204.idd156.nettete.pl [77.79.204.156]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by poczta.interia.pl (INTERIA.PL) with ESMTPSA for ; Wed, 29 Sep 2010 20:28:28 +0200 (CEST) Received: from jezuch by zx-spectrum-1 with local (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1P11V4-0001MB-OY for lojban@googlegroups.com; Wed, 29 Sep 2010 20:35:31 +0200 From: Krzysztof Sobolewski Organization: Sobole To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] To Polish fellow lojbanists Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2010 20:35:26 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.5 (Linux/2.6.33.7-test; KDE/4.4.5; x86_64; ; ) References: <201009291949.20202.jezuch@interia.pl> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart1285788471.nGh6C07RtE"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <201009292035.30667.jezuch@interia.pl> X-Interia-Antivirus: OK X-EMID: c0d48acc X-Original-Sender: jezuch@interia.pl X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jezuch@interia.pl designates 217.74.65.205 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jezuch@interia.pl Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , --nextPart1285788471.nGh6C07RtE Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dnia =B6roda, 29 wrze=B6nia 2010 o 19:51:00 Jorge Llamb=EDas napisa=B3(a): > Semantic context will often help. There are other distinctions that > can be just as problematic for other people, so you can count yourself > lucky if that's the only one that gives you trouble. For Spanish > speakers s/z, c/j, b/v, and y/e, as well as x/' are often not easy to > tell apart. You're right... Except for {'} my language has all the necessary sounds - a= nd many more. But I think I have this one figured out too - if I pronunce {= '} as a *voiced* h (not present in Polish, so still needing some getting us= ed to), it suddenly is very distinct :) Now, how people pronunce {y}... ;) =2D-=20 Ecce Jezuch "Wear the grudge like a crown of negativity Calculate what we will or will not tolerate Desperate to control all and everything Unable to forgive your scarlet lettermen" - M. J. Keenan --nextPart1285788471.nGh6C07RtE Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) iEYEABECAAYFAkyjhu4ACgkQy0fq9RM+TxgiNgCfbSw5Jwsya7LgiCv3CleI98Lk 24IAoKFCjv4aU880emE1+qumJ5iwvXlV =9znC -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nextPart1285788471.nGh6C07RtE--