From lojban+bncCIXj1IxCEMybjuUEGgQ6Y0sp@googlegroups.com Wed Sep 29 12:04:59 2010 Received: from mail-qw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.216.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1P11xX-0005xB-Ky; Wed, 29 Sep 2010 12:04:59 -0700 Received: by qwb8 with SMTP id 8sf921673qwb.16 for ; Wed, 29 Sep 2010 12:04:49 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:received:received :x-yahoo-newman-property:x-yahoo-newman-id:received:message-id :x-ymail-osg:received:x-mailer:references:date:from:subject:to :in-reply-to:mime-version:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=wzsB+ousWg5RTiudOiPc5fqkq5n4Qu/RSBcHXzC55+4=; b=oMh4HFSo1HdSmvW5WE3kYuAdVlaulfsa4+W9RI+WANuELhebf7sOSPdbA9bHiXbOcf vfRvjOMOTT1rPxi3KhMbE77UtHUHrOLXiJiypMDKAZtbVtIUSmaT3GXampqix8bn7/3Q HygcSVPl4r1J0H3WxRudqYbhtpQ1XApPRYpzs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:x-yahoo-newman-property:x-yahoo-newman-id :message-id:x-ymail-osg:x-mailer:references:date:from:subject:to :in-reply-to:mime-version:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=RCM3GwAKw2jUQXFxItcdPnEgnLrTjyBSjnBhwIGl+eFfGlALXnP1nTsVpOrF+GZ1Kc affaOycm2Jd1ymUMhrbi0Uy5x0igg026k7vnbMrlF/gGldL5MJEvZgCDN/4h0R3TgpY0 HD3DQW34osuG3BdLVxC4pz8otU6WBW9k4Gbmk= Received: by 10.229.78.197 with SMTP id m5mr167182qck.47.1285787084786; Wed, 29 Sep 2010 12:04:44 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.229.173.155 with SMTP id p27ls458673qcz.3.p; Wed, 29 Sep 2010 12:04:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.187.135 with SMTP id cw7mr371100qcb.13.1285787084009; Wed, 29 Sep 2010 12:04:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.187.135 with SMTP id cw7mr371099qcb.13.1285787083962; Wed, 29 Sep 2010 12:04:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from n9.bullet.re3.yahoo.com (n9.bullet.re3.yahoo.com [68.142.237.94]) by gmr-mx.google.com with SMTP id mz6si5147672qcb.13.2010.09.29.12.04.42; Wed, 29 Sep 2010 12:04:42 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 68.142.237.94 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of totus@rogers.com) client-ip=68.142.237.94; Received: from [68.142.237.87] by n9.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Sep 2010 19:04:42 -0000 Received: from [66.196.97.142] by t3.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Sep 2010 19:04:42 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp110.mail.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Sep 2010 19:04:42 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 611016.31512.bm@omp110.mail.re3.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 61242 invoked by uid 60001); 29 Sep 2010 19:04:42 -0000 Message-ID: <499005.59911.qm@web88005.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: fv2d5_AVM1lN..hneYdu2u4rSAdjhlfweK1zQP_EBsL.WnG M0S4- Received: from [99.229.170.85] by web88005.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 29 Sep 2010 12:04:41 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/497 YahooMailWebService/0.8.105.279950 References: <201009291837.57382.jezuch@interia.pl> <201009291949.20202.jezuch@interia.pl> Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2010 12:04:41 -0700 (PDT) From: "A. PIEKARSKI" Subject: Re: [lojban] To Polish fellow lojbanists To: lojban@googlegroups.com In-Reply-To: <201009291949.20202.jezuch@interia.pl> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Sender: totus@rogers.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 68.142.237.94 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of totus@rogers.com) smtp.mail=totus@rogers.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@rogers.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >=20 > Dnia =B6roda, 29 wrze=B6nia 2010 o 19:13:54 Jorge Llamb=EDas napisa=B3(a)= : > > 2010/9/29 Krzysztof Sobolewski : > > > > > > So could some confirm that using the same sound for {x} and {'} does = not=20 >introduce ambiguity? :) > >=20 > > It introduces plenty of ambiguity. Just consider any CV'V cmavo for a > > start, which becomes indistinguishable from the two cmavo CV xV. >=20 > Well then, I think I'll stick with silent {'}. But this is problematic wi= th=20 >things like {du'u} or {zo'o}. Is there any hope for people who don't see (= hear)=20 >any difference between [x] and [h] (both in IPA, according to Wikipedia)? = ;) > --=20 I had the same problem a few months ago - the {'} sound doesn't exist in Po= lish. Someone then said that the sound is the one that you emit when, on a cold= =20 morning,=20 you breath out to see your breath.=A0 It helped me. I've practiced it since= then -=20 and=20 it seems to work. totus --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.