From lojban+bncCNTPpI2KGxCX547lBBoEv4Fm7w@googlegroups.com Wed Sep 29 14:46:16 2010 Received: from mail-px0-f189.google.com ([209.85.212.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1P14Tc-00081R-JX; Wed, 29 Sep 2010 14:46:16 -0700 Received: by pxi13 with SMTP id 13sf590134pxi.16 for ; Wed, 29 Sep 2010 14:46:06 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:x-authority-analysis:x-cloudmark-score :x-originating-ip:received:received:from:to:subject:date:user-agent :references:in-reply-to:mime-version:message-id:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :content-disposition; bh=0OI4MG6JZdzqKkYWY6DzkBCVd2ngq99Y1Gem2zh2IGY=; b=VgEHxlN79QBvMlfRAw3se/geEnP5+LJt827JAfFqjIaoq52aGtS17EhqJ41ef1QUE/ jGijIh21XPSzMQOD0BJDqI7bZEbBaJeUfZs3/CUdhmD3Ha8sH1AcltQU4ZFiEyfPPQSB sg4aEqWYZsr3Bj/W21Da95ALMBq5AHfDFVUms= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:x-authority-analysis:x-cloudmark-score :x-originating-ip:from:to:subject:date:user-agent:references :in-reply-to:mime-version:message-id:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :content-disposition; b=6QvRhOELkT5p8a1946httf9XQdFXCHrU56fYv/NYl4PSu0qa491VgbcKKvhCGVrZYr meLaQsf6ipI6kaWxKfdgq1Y2qhk/kWtrK7VY1G0k1JTlZ/cNU09+G73E7HaNlb/208d/ +QKVpLWLeNW7PtPwZUvXq7coBP++VKe318lvc= Received: by 10.115.38.30 with SMTP id q30mr242928waj.7.1285796759898; Wed, 29 Sep 2010 14:45:59 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.115.85.40 with SMTP id n40ls954312wal.0.p; Wed, 29 Sep 2010 14:45:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.102.20 with SMTP id z20mr1227730wab.5.1285796759293; Wed, 29 Sep 2010 14:45:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.102.20 with SMTP id z20mr1227726wab.5.1285796759240; Wed, 29 Sep 2010 14:45:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.122]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id j18si10926622wan.1.2010.09.29.14.45.58; Wed, 29 Sep 2010 14:45:59 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 75.180.132.122 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) client-ip=75.180.132.122; X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=lu/RhtYP0ChAeUxMEPBris12a71TWT5f9yvo3GNwP9w= c=1 sm=0 a=16vxQhsou_YA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=9o99xeNKNPYSmM5t9x5+TQ==:17 a=G1NWCUvXqg5tlCP61uYA:9 a=n4ukfncxr20IEwIut481j2AgmCMA:4 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=9o99xeNKNPYSmM5t9x5+TQ==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 75.176.118.168 Received: from [75.176.118.168] ([75.176.118.168:47962] helo=chausie) by cdptpa-oedge02.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id ED/9A-14228-693B3AC4; Wed, 29 Sep 2010 21:45:58 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chausie (Postfix) with ESMTP id 945F7130F2 for ; Wed, 29 Sep 2010 17:45:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] To Polish fellow lojbanists Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2010 17:45:48 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 (enterprise 0.20070907.709405) References: <201009292035.30667.jezuch@interia.pl> In-Reply-To: <201009292035.30667.jezuch@interia.pl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <201009291745.49925.phma@phma.optus.nu> X-Original-Sender: phma@phma.optus.nu X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 75.180.132.122 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) smtp.mail=phma@phma.optus.nu Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline On Wednesday 29 September 2010 14:35:26 Krzysztof Sobolewski wrote: > You're right... Except for {'} my language has all the necessary sounds - > and many more. But I think I have this one figured out too - if I pronunc= e > {'} as a *voiced* h (not present in Polish, so still needing some getting > used to), it suddenly is very distinct :) I'm not sure what you mean by "voiced h"; to me that's the second part of t= he=20 Indic voiced aspirates, like the "h" in "Gandhi". But if you're voicing the= =20 Polish "ch", that's a sound that is considered rhotic in some languages (su= ch=20 as French) but not others (such as Arabic). Either way, {'} is specified to= =20 be unvoiced. I looked up Czech and Ukrainian phonetics on Wikipedia, but their "h" is=20 voiced. Try Totus's suggestion. > Now, how people pronunce {y}... ;) Russian has that sound in unstressed syllables, and Bulgarian has a separat= e=20 letter for it, =D1=8A (which can be stressed). Pierre --=20 I believe in Yellow when I'm in Sweden and in Black when I'm in Wales. --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.