From lojban+bncCNTPpI2KGxD4-47lBBoEtNhZFw@googlegroups.com Wed Sep 29 15:30:30 2010 Received: from mail-pz0-f61.google.com ([209.85.210.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1P15AS-0002I5-4u; Wed, 29 Sep 2010 15:30:30 -0700 Received: by pzk7 with SMTP id 7sf604129pzk.16 for ; Wed, 29 Sep 2010 15:30:22 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:x-authority-analysis:x-cloudmark-score :x-originating-ip:received:received:from:to:subject:date:user-agent :references:in-reply-to:mime-version:message-id:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-disposition; bh=njH2mz7CBPpvzoixZDbhfg9LiF9NpwU80lqogIj8LX4=; b=VV79EkWDNPeSYueHCrlBGLRBRCohxPk2EVbCUL15fDFZKcyKsY7wYPKIRRHn3tFlMO FB7QeXQwxoF16Uo39Cb1YEUgmV5/A/hL1yyasTib3p/bwgDeOVaNM6N1rPSZkoFQL54B MIr0TB75BEBVi+Mzp3+aLPVjfgHEBZrkdKloQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:x-authority-analysis:x-cloudmark-score :x-originating-ip:from:to:subject:date:user-agent:references :in-reply-to:mime-version:message-id:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-disposition; b=Zo/nz3G41YeQyAlVyd7JpP/KP3+VGWGP3I0qLFWfdj+nTYjagfpGAI/K09YjzPtTFa OljazPyBfNvy5mjNSFloqAsSQGc6SFkeLg/bmjGsGkeDDc30gRdVwdkX6Iv6sZ5OhOzj pXymHV55kilYVtwEs/4UJ62wNvwEPEng5iDtc= Received: by 10.142.133.10 with SMTP id g10mr194651wfd.40.1285799416358; Wed, 29 Sep 2010 15:30:16 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.142.194.14 with SMTP id r14ls1265014wff.2.p; Wed, 29 Sep 2010 15:30:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.201.17 with SMTP id y17mr1285005wff.48.1285799413322; Wed, 29 Sep 2010 15:30:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.201.17 with SMTP id y17mr1285003wff.48.1285799413289; Wed, 29 Sep 2010 15:30:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.122]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id j18si10969692wan.5.2010.09.29.15.30.12; Wed, 29 Sep 2010 15:30:13 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 75.180.132.122 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) client-ip=75.180.132.122; X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=/wPbbLlNx4yf8SUm0NWu5W7XZrQwS6yDV9JD17FB+as= c=1 sm=0 a=16vxQhsou_YA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=Q9fys5e9bTEA:10 a=9o99xeNKNPYSmM5t9x5+TQ==:17 a=cmNkbx0O6-RUzppbE4QA:9 a=g96QlyAJGZjEocP_yYa6a1_qrLIA:4 a=PUjeQqilurYA:10 a=9o99xeNKNPYSmM5t9x5+TQ==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 75.176.118.168 Received: from [75.176.118.168] ([75.176.118.168:59781] helo=chausie) by cdptpa-oedge04.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.2.39 r()) with ESMTP id 4F/91-09295-4FDB3AC4; Wed, 29 Sep 2010 22:30:12 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chausie (Postfix) with ESMTP id 951A513F8D for ; Wed, 29 Sep 2010 18:30:11 -0400 (EDT) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] To Polish fellow lojbanists Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2010 18:30:07 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 (enterprise 0.20070907.709405) References: <201009291837.57382.jezuch@interia.pl> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <201009291830.09258.phma@phma.optus.nu> X-Original-Sender: phma@phma.optus.nu X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 75.180.132.122 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) smtp.mail=phma@phma.optus.nu Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline On Wednesday 29 September 2010 17:01:20 Jonathan Jones wrote: > IIRC, pronouncing {'} as "h" was at one point in time optional, in the same > way that adding the "i" in "fit" (or any other very short vowel) is > optional for difficult consonant clusters, as in {zdani} (ZiDANI). I'm not > certain when it was decided the {'} = "h" stopped being optional, but I > say, if you want to pronounce {mi'e} as {mi,e}, all that really matters is > that you're understood. That would work with "mi'e", as there is no word "mie", but it wouldn't work with "pe'i" or "ta'i" as the words "pei" and "tai" exist and are in the same respective selma'o. Commas make no difference to the identity of a word. Pierre -- li fi'u vu'u fi'u fi'u du li pa -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.