From lojban+bncCODGmc2JGRCGko_lBBoEG2lhZQ@googlegroups.com Wed Sep 29 16:17:42 2010 Received: from mail-qw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.216.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1P15u7-0004JI-CE; Wed, 29 Sep 2010 16:17:41 -0700 Received: by qwb8 with SMTP id 8sf1439883qwb.16 for ; Wed, 29 Sep 2010 16:17:33 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received :mime-version:received:received:date:in-reply-to:x-ip:references :user-agent:x-http-useragent:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=1xnqhkEGCwUH+JnU0UbjUnG1U7C2Iq+Cq1CRGEB6Ynw=; b=pOhIHxZle7kSQeTtJiMKe+93Z1ueP6Rqz1V295NEOEfdB1xE2DehsPt7Y6rSJ2CDCl lrkG/69OJw8Zol6eW2GMlfkMSO++BH+60oiL6zygcfvFIyLtTyMPiOfjZ6fkazYMXnYU kSKEdYOVO4H5w6RVOd3cplbcTGNpOHnLHUu3k= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:mime-version:date:in-reply-to:x-ip:references :user-agent:x-http-useragent:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=m0gRgsuMlX+zp/yR4cyog+oTLlvx5wzU35WOeEwIey9TgmaPvI3n0a0oS10Nryvi6X 383DYRyZC7JI3DekXeSu0rCKKyZLpfMO5OoqWYErxih1ELLHsDwjsOEp1ZxFkN2bk4Qy pndhYxPh62k8eubom3WnfG071wzO0oZO5nDzc= Received: by 10.224.64.90 with SMTP id d26mr149430qai.45.1285802246311; Wed, 29 Sep 2010 16:17:26 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.224.26.69 with SMTP id d5ls309230qac.7.p; Wed, 29 Sep 2010 16:17:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.224.28.75 with SMTP id l11mr496302qac.17.1285802245719; Wed, 29 Sep 2010 16:17:25 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.101.151.39 with SMTP id d39mr149489ano.33.1285789109006; Wed, 29 Sep 2010 12:38:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by t20g2000yqa.googlegroups.com with HTTP; Wed, 29 Sep 2010 12:38:28 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2010 12:38:28 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <499005.59911.qm@web88005.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-IP: 62.121.65.210 References: <201009291837.57382.jezuch@interia.pl> <201009291949.20202.jezuch@interia.pl> <499005.59911.qm@web88005.mail.re2.yahoo.com> User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; pl; rv:1.9.2.10) Gecko/20100914 Firefox/3.6.10,gzip(gfe) Message-ID: <178e202f-72fb-4085-99c7-6c092d573068@t20g2000yqa.googlegroups.com> Subject: [lojban] Re: To Polish fellow lojbanists From: ksion To: lojban X-Original-Sender: xion.dev@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > I had the same problem a few months ago - the {'} sound doesn't exist in = Polish. > Someone then said that the sound is the one that you emit when, on a cold > morning, Actually it's the {x} sound that doesn't exist in Polish anymore. 'ch' in words like 'chata' (cottage) or 'licho' ("evil") used to be good approximation, but the difference between /h/ and /ch/ is pretty much lost in modern Polish. Nevertheless... > > you breath out to see your breath.=C2=A0 It helped me. I've practiced it = since then - > and > it seems to work. ...appears as an acceptable variant of {'} :) As for OP's question, I think that for this particular example a much better transcription of the example sentence is the following: .sszoi ro do. ij. mi'h~'e evas. ij. mi tavla la lo=C5=BC~'ban. ij. mi chrukla le zdani. or, alternatively, with "kh" replacing "ch" to better illustrate the difference between {'} and {x} (note that "kh" is a bit of exaggeration as a phoneme for {x}, but encapsulates the distinction quite nicely). co'o mi'e ksion. --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.