From lojban+bncCNCCoMTMDhD4-5DlBBoEfVTYEw@googlegroups.com Thu Sep 30 00:36:40 2010 Received: from mail-ww0-f61.google.com ([74.125.82.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1P1Dgy-0002hl-Rg; Thu, 30 Sep 2010 00:36:40 -0700 Received: by wwe15 with SMTP id 15sf433847wwe.16 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 2010 00:36:30 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:received:mime-version:received :in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=Jjzh1xZbNSltmKxnhxdUu1A27YKElR4cKwsrwUJ/jvY=; b=bYQMlapU44G/tDc2oCavNxPqllf4QT9Zp41wfLvl2V0B74+mvZkscapsbHiAizJpir KIIAZPyeHY8pRo8IFilitR0QcYqJx30MsR+IK0rnWwYtNG574tQM2LvkYDuzxzSxCmET 3FKF06M2QJizlm2WfFzp7fpCojquuA6uF5JRs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=fGn2HfB3WcqkEiCrSAWs2JjdYURd3N7Vk2LeK+3EUkHt5Tm5vLOA1owr0zMnITN/FO 5ZetEp59BHaQQrMVPL/LZfgIR4VfdMfIz07FenF5u4owv/nGgkWUeYYwlsjli9yIIuub TWWFHMWDZ5eKu8HJwh8CUzDc0YTyRI067AWyQ= Received: by 10.216.145.90 with SMTP id o68mr756678wej.23.1285832184892; Thu, 30 Sep 2010 00:36:24 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.227.101.19 with SMTP id a19ls524206wbo.3.p; Thu, 30 Sep 2010 00:36:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.137.80 with SMTP id v16mr130425wbt.20.1285832183523; Thu, 30 Sep 2010 00:36:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.137.80 with SMTP id v16mr130424wbt.20.1285832183498; Thu, 30 Sep 2010 00:36:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ww0-f49.google.com (mail-ww0-f49.google.com [74.125.82.49]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id ey20si3492513wbb.6.2010.09.30.00.36.22; Thu, 30 Sep 2010 00:36:22 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of selckiku@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.49 as permitted sender) client-ip=74.125.82.49; Received: by mail-ww0-f49.google.com with SMTP id 24so1890644wwb.30 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 2010 00:36:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.145.66 with SMTP id c2mr2787146wbv.42.1285832182079; Thu, 30 Sep 2010 00:36:22 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.227.139.198 with HTTP; Thu, 30 Sep 2010 00:35:51 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <201009300835.18694.jezuch@interia.pl> References: <201009291830.09258.phma@phma.optus.nu> <201009300835.18694.jezuch@interia.pl> From: Stela Selckiku Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2010 03:35:51 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] To Polish fellow lojbanists To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: selckiku@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of selckiku@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.49 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=selckiku@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 2010/9/30 Krzysztof Sobolewski : > > {ei} is a diphtong; we don't have "official" diphtongs in Polish, but > the difference between "pei" (for {pe'i}) and "pej" (for {pei}) is > very clear. When I want to be really precise when I'm writing > "phonetically" using Polish ortography, I write "pe-i" for {pe'i} > (assuming silent {'}, of course). I don't mean to be a downer, but I really don't think that inventing this new (non)pronunciation for {'} is a good idea at all. You should just learn to produce one of the official pronunciations of {'}. We've all had to learn a few new sounds to pronounce Lojban-- {x} and final {e} and initial {zd} and {ml} caused me trouble at first, for instance. We don't always get it right (I certainly don't always) but we've come to an agreement over time about what's sufficiently distinct and what's Lojbanic. It'll do your mouth good to learn something new anyway. Both of the usual pronunciations of {'} are necessary for speaking English properly, for instance (which you've clearly put some work into studying, since you write it quite well), as well as many other languages. mi'e la stela selckiku mu'o -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.