From lojban+bncCJrK5PGGEBCL7ZLlBBoEjR9sEw@googlegroups.com Thu Sep 30 09:11:10 2010 Received: from mail-wy0-f189.google.com ([74.125.82.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1P1Lir-0002SR-6b; Thu, 30 Sep 2010 09:11:10 -0700 Received: by wyb40 with SMTP id 40sf552426wyb.16 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 2010 09:10:58 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:received:received:from:organization :to:subject:date:user-agent:references:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:message-id :x-interia-antivirus:x-emid:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe; bh=e3zGEaTlFJ5iC56iky09ZocRSi+qq018pg7Kci8aQeU=; b=svsXMUpQKXOm01MZ4cSw7jkLqw8WRPe5ecX+VAlAGBwI6ps3TErkc3cyOWt25AdT6C W2mDQVM7N5u9pswIcuuvjrZFka2PT6oUJjAbAk17VGb0L7/lmAiw75KURAy7eoClXobK wj2qXdfN9fz6crARh09HCFnikJPi/35kN10iw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:from:organization:to:subject:date :user-agent:references:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:x-interia-antivirus:x-emid :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe; b=mfnGzEd4dZW7FApeAOkjbSwRuvI46r9qp2ILUo39lqN3uYNTSO5qNOdzrRfCYmaPqU GSJmLLr1uKHfh2EK/rLZykqzYfS1Rv+YxddeEzC96RHI+//s+pSJKcX5arHf1ONIkGRA YGMFQMzgkxgafHF3x06lXvk8s69FvnR1bBYzs= Received: by 10.216.145.90 with SMTP id o68mr873948wej.8.1285863051025; Thu, 30 Sep 2010 09:10:51 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.14.41.160 with SMTP id h32ls164650eeb.5.p; Thu, 30 Sep 2010 09:10:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.14.119.68 with SMTP id m44mr304753eeh.29.1285863050223; Thu, 30 Sep 2010 09:10:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.14.119.68 with SMTP id m44mr304752eeh.29.1285863050183; Thu, 30 Sep 2010 09:10:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtpo.poczta.interia.pl (smtpo.poczta.interia.pl [217.74.65.205]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id a48si20118eei.6.2010.09.30.09.10.50; Thu, 30 Sep 2010 09:10:50 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jezuch@interia.pl designates 217.74.65.205 as permitted sender) client-ip=217.74.65.205; Received: by smtpo.poczta.interia.pl (INTERIA.PL, from userid 502) id D68081A42AA4; Thu, 30 Sep 2010 18:10:49 +0200 (CEST) Received: from zx-spectrum-1 (c204.idd156.nettete.pl [77.79.204.156]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by poczta.interia.pl (INTERIA.PL) with ESMTPSA for ; Thu, 30 Sep 2010 18:10:48 +0200 (CEST) Received: from jezuch by zx-spectrum-1 with local (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1P1LpR-0002le-2y for lojban@googlegroups.com; Thu, 30 Sep 2010 18:17:53 +0200 From: Krzysztof Sobolewski Organization: Sobole To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] To Polish fellow lojbanists Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2010 18:17:52 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.5 (Linux/2.6.33.7-test; KDE/4.4.5; x86_64; ; ) References: <201009300835.18694.jezuch@interia.pl> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart10296795.5GKg1R01ox"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <201009301817.53052.jezuch@interia.pl> X-Interia-Antivirus: OK X-EMID: 9ee48acc X-Original-Sender: jezuch@interia.pl X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jezuch@interia.pl designates 217.74.65.205 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jezuch@interia.pl Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , --nextPart10296795.5GKg1R01ox Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dnia czwartek, 30 wrze=B6nia 2010 o 09:35:51 Stela Selckiku napisa=B3(a): > I don't mean to be a downer, but I really don't think that inventing > this new (non)pronunciation for {'} is a good idea at all. You should > just learn to produce one of the official pronunciations of {'}. > We've all had to learn a few new sounds to pronounce Lojban-- {x} and > final {e} and initial {zd} and {ml} caused me trouble at first, for > instance. We don't always get it right (I certainly don't always) but > we've come to an agreement over time about what's sufficiently > distinct and what's Lojbanic. It'll do your mouth good to learn > something new anyway. Both of the usual pronunciations of {'} are > necessary for speaking English properly, for instance (which you've > clearly put some work into studying, since you write it quite well), > as well as many other languages. You're reight, it's always (ba'u) good to learn new things; wasn't this dis= cussion a good example of this? ;) =2D-=20 Ecce Jezuch "'Cause all has been gone and all has been done And there's nothing left for us to say But we could be together as they blow it all away And we can share in every moment as it breaks" - C. 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