From lojban+bncCMHEmaCOBhDXjK7lBBoEl25ILQ@googlegroups.com Tue Oct 05 13:11:21 2010 Received: from mail-yw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.213.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1P3Dr4-000350-3W; Tue, 05 Oct 2010 13:11:21 -0700 Received: by ywo7 with SMTP id 7sf225132ywo.16 for ; Tue, 05 Oct 2010 13:11:12 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=w2qge0tbv5WNz6Y9gUbBzvlWxsWxJzLtvYFN8QsmQdk=; b=A0XF6hOxDiyt8dy2OrgCbaGkC+9vK16t2dRxF06dNbC3vQIIS1hQpOevq/O0rX5oni qe6kOqoefBsVHd8+8ApeXgvSAO3Z1lJFl6NB6V3bLUWLQK5NnZT0sYwDwD8owKxzbiIS rZv7G1oLFTnZuv2RxSgTb/tZuS6wMiIUHODZg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=2p4zCsIWdAmE9pl2is8HjL8lKflwSIQFw5G2v7DknF0C4Q1C7Q1tC52jaPEPZ8s+t5 ahH9gDECcflxtc+mHQSJyhvoLFwlPnHYUwjlVgXkg8dJCLfOpyR7KVWRyE5jXpN9zgpA D37dQwVZDFNX2X0ND9inBVkORAY2nTyBiJDgI= Received: by 10.151.33.4 with SMTP id l4mr72269ybj.15.1286309463029; Tue, 05 Oct 2010 13:11:03 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.150.158.14 with SMTP id g14ls179550ybe.7.p; Tue, 05 Oct 2010 13:11:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.151.87.5 with SMTP id p5mr87717ybl.46.1286309462524; Tue, 05 Oct 2010 13:11:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.151.87.5 with SMTP id p5mr87716ybl.46.1286309462472; Tue, 05 Oct 2010 13:11:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-yx0-f177.google.com (mail-yx0-f177.google.com [209.85.213.177]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id q8si20327ybk.0.2010.10.05.13.11.01; Tue, 05 Oct 2010 13:11:01 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.213.177 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.213.177; Received: by yxm34 with SMTP id 34so2754486yxm.8 for ; Tue, 05 Oct 2010 13:11:01 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.12.77 with SMTP id w13mr11912353ibw.80.1286309458846; Tue, 05 Oct 2010 13:10:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.206.16 with HTTP; Tue, 5 Oct 2010 13:10:58 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <201010011823.25227.phma@phma.optus.nu> <4CA76670.50601@lojban.org> Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2010 14:10:58 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] la za'e filjvocedra (The Age of Easy Lujvo) From: Jonathan Jones To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: eyeonus@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.213.177 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=eyeonus@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0003255753be5eb42b0491e442ed --0003255753be5eb42b0491e442ed Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 2010/10/5 Jorge Llamb=EDas > On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 4:17 PM, Luke Bergen wrote= : > > because some times tanru get used often enough that people get tired of > > saying {gerku zdani} and decide that it is a concept unto it's own and > > deserves it's own word, if for no other reason than brevity. > > I don't actually recall any examples of that ever happening yet. Most > lujvo I see people using seem to have a different source. Do you have > an actual example in mind or are you just repeating the theory? > > > and my tanru was { nu me li no ku bangu ponse valsi finti } =3Dp > > No "ku" there! Terminators could be "boi lo'o me'u", but they can all be > elided. > > Not strictly a tanru though, because of the "nu", but the thing inside > the "nu" is a tanru. > > So what's a "zero type of language"? > > > Here's one that occurred to me. {mumdeita'i}. Let {lo ka ko'a > mumdeita'i} > > mean that {ko'a} is tired in that way that one often feels tired on a > friday > > after work. Or for you xorxes: mumdeita'i =3D ko'a menli ja xadni tat= pi > tai > > lo nu ko'a mu'o gunka ca lo mumdei bu'u lo briju .a lo gunka selzvati > > For me you would use "jimdei" for "Friday", not "mumday(sic)", "a five-da= y > period". > > But mumdei actually happens to work quite well here, "tatpi lo djedi > be li mu", "tired from the five-day long period (the work-week)". > > mu'o mi'e xorxes > Sic'em boy! :D (Sorry, I had to.) --=20 mu'o mi'e .aionys. .i.a'o.e'e ko cmima le bende pe lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi luk. mi patfu d= o zo'o (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. 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2010/10/5 Jorge Llamb=EDas <= ;jjllambias@gmail.com>
On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 4:17 PM, Luke Bergen <lukeabergen@gmail.com> wrote:
> because some times tanru get used often enough that people get tired o= f
> saying {gerku zdani} and decide that it is a concept unto it's own= and
> deserves it's own word, if for no other reason than brevity.

I don't actually recall any examples of that ever happening yet. = Most
lujvo I see people using seem to have a different source. Do you have
an actual example in mind or are you just repeating the theory?

> and my tanru was { nu me li no ku bangu ponse valsi finti } =3Dp

No "ku" there! Terminators could be "boi lo'o me&#= 39;u", but they can all be elided.

Not strictly a tanru though, because of the "nu", but the thing i= nside
the "nu" is a tanru.

So what's a "zero type of language"?

> Here's one that occurred to me. =A0{mumdeita'i}. =A0Let {lo ka= ko'a mumdeita'i}
> mean that {ko'a} is tired in that way that one often feels tired o= n a friday
> after work. =A0Or for you xorxes: =A0mumdeita'i =3D ko'a menli= ja xadni tatpi tai
> lo nu ko'a mu'o gunka ca lo mumdei bu'u lo briju .a lo gun= ka selzvati

For me you would use "jimdei" for "Friday", not &= quot;mumday(sic)", "a five-day period".

But mumdei actually happens to work quite well here, "tatpi lo djedi be li mu", "tired from the five-day long period (the work-week)&q= uot;.

mu'o mi'e xorxes

Sic'em boy! :D (Sorry, I had to.)
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mu'o mi'e .aionys.

.i.a'o.e= 9;e ko cmima le bende pe lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi luk. mi patfu do zo= 9;o
(Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )

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