From lojban+bncCOjSjrXVGBCcka7lBBoE0T5GFA@googlegroups.com Tue Oct 05 13:21:03 2010 Received: from mail-yx0-f189.google.com ([209.85.213.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1P3E0S-0003Mc-7B; Tue, 05 Oct 2010 13:21:03 -0700 Received: by yxs7 with SMTP id 7sf4983324yxs.16 for ; Tue, 05 Oct 2010 13:20:54 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=+8yqAvAPtohEkSMouJVGSnSNKMm04HXOTriD0WsbUcI=; b=xRgmGFGNKJYV1R/x20dRrfXmI6DYiyKcMnOG3EdHjf54Vt8Bk2aeDoZeECWiRlrB2m Uwgc6+LNJhMBABOa+kk6HkSGRyklJA6MzSjB0VyQegQf3F2RtptC8nTjOmJEHCkLiD7L GG4n6VcYN0uqDMgqiKss5OV7fcQL9NbfrhmwM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=TvLcIatYR5FZrCND9yZErJgYjRscpsvbn95VBlcC0UxBj+L+GxS8rA0AXyea0UoW2a SDtYAyDPH013qwi9PDXz+7oq0Wfb89SfSvhpZzUukM/lQJUx9vQK6OQdRXyJ3VVaaIwb yYPbcjFBeYHI+qH8nYl+DlTdGQYIepVqnkVaU= Received: by 10.91.9.1 with SMTP id m1mr107461agi.18.1286310044582; Tue, 05 Oct 2010 13:20:44 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.231.55.74 with SMTP id t10ls3352045ibg.3.p; Tue, 05 Oct 2010 13:20:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.42.5.83 with SMTP id 19mr2589009icv.2.1286310044070; Tue, 05 Oct 2010 13:20:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.42.5.83 with SMTP id 19mr2589008icv.2.1286310044048; Tue, 05 Oct 2010 13:20:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-iw0-f172.google.com (mail-iw0-f172.google.com [209.85.214.172]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id e4si65105ibc.4.2010.10.05.13.20.43; Tue, 05 Oct 2010 13:20:43 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of lukeabergen@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.172 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.214.172; Received: by mail-iw0-f172.google.com with SMTP id 3so14516332iwn.17 for ; Tue, 05 Oct 2010 13:20:43 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.167.196 with SMTP id r4mr12726389iby.29.1286310037967; Tue, 05 Oct 2010 13:20:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.48.79 with HTTP; Tue, 5 Oct 2010 13:20:37 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <201010011823.25227.phma@phma.optus.nu> <4CA76670.50601@lojban.org> Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2010 16:20:37 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] la za'e filjvocedra (The Age of Easy Lujvo) From: Luke Bergen To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: lukeabergen@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of lukeabergen@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.172 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=lukeabergen@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=005045016763e254770491e46491 --005045016763e254770491e46491 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Blargh, I can't stand {jimdei}. To me it smacks of malpo'o. And why is {mumdei} a span of 5 days? According to vlasisku both mumdei and jimdei have the same definition (http://vlasisku.lojban.org/friday). So either jimdei also means "5 day period" or either one can be used to refer to friday. Incidentally, mi mumdeita'i ca lo reldei .oiro'e .i mi bilga tu'a ci djedi ji'a On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 4:10 PM, Jonathan Jones wrote: > 2010/10/5 Jorge Llamb=EDas > >> On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 4:17 PM, Luke Bergen >> wrote: >> >> > because some times tanru get used often enough that people get tired o= f >> > saying {gerku zdani} and decide that it is a concept unto it's own and >> > deserves it's own word, if for no other reason than brevity. >> >> I don't actually recall any examples of that ever happening yet. Most >> lujvo I see people using seem to have a different source. Do you have >> an actual example in mind or are you just repeating the theory? >> >> > and my tanru was { nu me li no ku bangu ponse valsi finti } =3Dp >> >> No "ku" there! Terminators could be "boi lo'o me'u", but they can all be >> elided. >> >> Not strictly a tanru though, because of the "nu", but the thing inside >> the "nu" is a tanru. >> >> So what's a "zero type of language"? >> >> > Here's one that occurred to me. {mumdeita'i}. Let {lo ka ko'a >> mumdeita'i} >> > mean that {ko'a} is tired in that way that one often feels tired on a >> friday >> > after work. Or for you xorxes: mumdeita'i =3D ko'a menli ja xadni ta= tpi >> tai >> > lo nu ko'a mu'o gunka ca lo mumdei bu'u lo briju .a lo gunka selzvati >> >> For me you would use "jimdei" for "Friday", not "mumday(sic)", "a five-d= ay >> period". >> >> >> But mumdei actually happens to work quite well here, "tatpi lo djedi >> be li mu", "tired from the five-day long period (the work-week)". >> >> mu'o mi'e xorxes >> > > Sic'em boy! :D (Sorry, I had to.) > > > -- > mu'o mi'e .aionys. > > .i.a'o.e'e ko cmima le bende pe lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi luk. mi patfu > do zo'o > (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. > --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den. --005045016763e254770491e46491 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Blargh, I can't stand {jimdei}. =A0To me it smacks of malpo'o. =A0A= nd why is {mumdei} a span of 5 days? =A0According to vlasisku both mumdei a= nd jimdei have the same definition (http://vlasisku.lojban.org/friday). =A0So either jimdei also mea= ns "5 day period" or either one can be used to refer to friday.
Incidentally, mi mumdeita'i ca lo reldei .oiro'e .i = mi bilga tu'a ci djedi ji'a

On Tu= e, Oct 5, 2010 at 4:10 PM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
2010/10/5 Jorge Llamb=EDas <jjllambias@gmail.com>
On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 4:17 PM, Luke Bergen <lukeabergen@gmail.com> wrote:
> because some times tanru get used often enough that people get tired o= f
> saying {gerku zdani} and decide that it is a concept unto it's own= and
> deserves it's own word, if for no other reason than brevity.

I don't actually recall any examples of t= hat ever happening yet. Most
lujvo I see people using seem to have a different source. Do you have
an actual example in mind or are you just repeating the theory?

> and my tanru was { nu me li no ku bangu ponse valsi finti } =3Dp

No "ku" there! Terminators could be "boi lo'o me&#= 39;u", but they can all be elided.

Not strictly a tanru though, because of the "nu", but the thing i= nside
the "nu" is a tanru.

So what's a "zero type of language"?

> Here's one that occurred to me. =A0{mumdeita'i}. =A0Let {lo ka= ko'a mumdeita'i}
> mean that {ko'a} is tired in that way that one often feels tired o= n a friday
> after work. =A0Or for you xorxes: =A0mumdeita'i =3D ko'a menli= ja xadni tatpi tai
> lo nu ko'a mu'o gunka ca lo mumdei bu'u lo briju .a lo gun= ka selzvati

For me you would use "jimdei" for "Friday",= not "mumday(sic)", "a five-day period".


But mumdei actually happens to work quite well here, "tatpi lo djedi be li mu", "tired from the five-day long period (the work-week)&q= uot;.

mu'o mi'e xorxes

Sic'em boy! :D (Sorry, I had t= o.)


--
mu'o mi'e .aionys= .

.i.a'o.e'e ko cmima le bende pe lo pilno be denpa bu .i do= i luk. mi patfu do zo'o
(Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )

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