From lojban+bncCOjSjrXVGBD8xq7lBBoEPciP4w@googlegroups.com Tue Oct 05 15:15:42 2010 Received: from mail-gw0-f61.google.com ([74.125.83.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1P3FnP-00016d-CM; Tue, 05 Oct 2010 15:15:42 -0700 Received: by gwb11 with SMTP id 11sf5105748gwb.16 for ; Tue, 05 Oct 2010 15:15:33 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=dSFu67mcMkgSUufnGKBnUBxBsUTwP5120LSttNmoY4E=; b=BdX6qago6qJl/a9J6fLj7U7HZZukH4UWEYnJJk3lE+J+eF+5VDENB5tKJF+76aQBs9 Cis9zKfA+emOb0OnFl0aUxrC2WMVWMa/kNYJY8vUbiQfKRgB6ZHi55hsmU5b7D+U1kVB mYzUuJerKpEbD2RGCMP2/w5BjIYAJ6+z8H02Y= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=Zb6zydAoh3r/8ixzVr+FxLxasKbKp4u8dn5WtQmz1YHO5h6oxxDlFJVX3tkfyPMEnS ++/N3N9BC6MrRx6PO1MIginx48qMo0dYajVcBRzJJsPrYW7VJTOyFLMJo9LFvwS+WIVb yGX19tAAnOo4zZntR1cGu1eNfWMhz87QekQ8s= Received: by 10.150.73.8 with SMTP id v8mr87106yba.1.1286316924359; Tue, 05 Oct 2010 15:15:24 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.150.53.9 with SMTP id b9ls222762yba.2.p; Tue, 05 Oct 2010 15:15:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.151.9.4 with SMTP id m4mr120514ybi.4.1286316923164; Tue, 05 Oct 2010 15:15:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.151.9.4 with SMTP id m4mr120513ybi.4.1286316923127; Tue, 05 Oct 2010 15:15:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-gy0-f169.google.com (mail-gy0-f169.google.com [209.85.160.169]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id v9si96607yba.11.2010.10.05.15.15.22; Tue, 05 Oct 2010 15:15:22 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of lukeabergen@gmail.com designates 209.85.160.169 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.160.169; Received: by mail-gy0-f169.google.com with SMTP id 3so2058313gyf.14 for ; Tue, 05 Oct 2010 15:15:22 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.42.7.16 with SMTP id c16mr14222608icc.48.1286316921939; Tue, 05 Oct 2010 15:15:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.48.79 with HTTP; Tue, 5 Oct 2010 15:15:21 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <201010011823.25227.phma@phma.optus.nu> <4CA76670.50601@lojban.org> Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2010 18:15:21 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] la za'e filjvocedra (The Age of Easy Lujvo) From: Luke Bergen To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: lukeabergen@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of lukeabergen@gmail.com designates 209.85.160.169 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=lukeabergen@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0050450155563367e90491e5ff44 --0050450155563367e90491e5ff44 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Doesn't the CLL talk somewhere about how making monday be 1 works for all cultures because sunday can be day 0 or day 7. Personally that's how I remember weekday names in lojban anyway, I call sunday nondei. I don't really care what the system is for naming days but it seems like they should be sequential in some way in stead of seemingly random names. e.g. I prefer pavmasti to vormasti 2010/10/5 Jorge Llamb=EDas > On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 5:20 PM, Luke Bergen wrote= : > > Blargh, I can't stand {jimdei}. To me it smacks of malpo'o. > > Possibly. But "mumdei" might be horribly confusing to those whose > native language's word for Thursday is something like "fifth day". A > little malzdo would be preferrable to horrible confusion. > > We should ask a Hebrew, Portuguese, Greek, Georgian, Armenian, > Vietnamese, Icelandic, Arabic, Malay, Indonesian, Javanese, Sundanese, > Persian, Kazakh or Turkish speaker what they think. > > > And why is {mumdei} a span of 5 days? > > Because of the "mu", how many else would it be? > > > According to vlasisku both mumdei and jimdei > > have the same definition (http://vlasisku.lojban.org/friday). > > That's why I said if you were writing "for me". I know that "mumdei" > has been (not very thoughtfully in my opinion) defined as "Friday". > > > So either > > jimdei also means "5 day period" or either one can be used to refer to > > friday. > > Or only one of them could mean Friday, or neither. > > > Incidentally, mi mumdeita'i ca lo reldei .oiro'e .i mi bilga tu'a ci > djedi > > ji'a > > .i a'o do zi cpacu lo nejni > > mu'o mi'e xorxes > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. > > --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den. --0050450155563367e90491e5ff44 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Doesn't the CLL talk somewhere about how making monday be 1 works for a= ll cultures because sunday can be day 0 or day 7. =A0Personally that's = how I remember weekday names in lojban anyway, I call sunday nondei.
I don't really care what the system is for naming days but i= t seems like they should be sequential in some way in stead of seemingly ra= ndom names. =A0e.g. I prefer pavmasti to vormasti

2010/10/5 Jorge Llamb=EDas <jjllambias@gmail.com>
On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 5:20 PM, Luke Bergen <lukeabergen@gmail.com> wrote:
> Blargh, I can't stand {jimdei}. =A0To me it smacks of malpo'o.=

Possibly. But "mumdei" might be horribly confusing to those= whose
native language's word for Thursday is something like "fifth day&q= uot;. A
little malzdo would be preferrable to horrible confusion.

We should ask a Hebrew, Portuguese, Greek, Georgian, Armenian,
Vietnamese, Icelandic, Arabic, Malay, Indonesian, Javanese, Sundanese,
Persian, Kazakh or Turkish speaker what they think.

> =A0And why is {mumdei} a span of 5 days?

Because of the "mu", how many else would it be?

>=A0According to vlasisku both mumdei and jimdei
> have the same definition (http://vlasisku.lojban.org/friday).

That's why I said if you were writing "for me". I know = that "mumdei"
has been (not very thoughtfully in my opinion) defined as "Friday"= ;.

>=A0So either
> jimdei also means "5 day period" or either one can be used t= o refer to
> friday.

Or only one of them could mean Friday, or neither.

> Incidentally, mi mumdeita'i ca lo reldei .oiro'e .i mi bilga t= u'a ci djedi
> ji'a

.i a'o do zi cpacu lo nejni

mu'o mi'e xorxes

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