From lojban+bncCMHEmaCOBhC4za7lBBoExWUmRA@googlegroups.com Tue Oct 05 15:29:30 2010 Received: from mail-gy0-f189.google.com ([209.85.160.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1P3G0k-0002IM-Kw; Tue, 05 Oct 2010 15:29:30 -0700 Received: by gya1 with SMTP id 1sf5117742gya.16 for ; Tue, 05 Oct 2010 15:29:20 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=V/aMiZR3GDZkCa5AMG7zall++4spMRPc6Rtn7jPn9Dc=; b=GpuhPeQ3Eqz81D3932E1pmz+nt3Yp4vi5VFAWBMYSNWlXWn0iz8Upb4UMTeu41CLMB kTpQtnNkGzDJsRC+fuCm6dmFuhMvXprKMdbIsLOgY5wFikfcei8/6ZEcDioDS5UOAu7H kBVOX8wP9TSCXju4TDcqvk34+qQgOyvxeE+94= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=s+jqLOeQ9SlTMAI0rFR24BYa96orywgl9XZQXjRVSWavc55hEvV9WKAD3E7qjtMpb2 /E3z0FDltOI/UxgtJ0JWGGoRjPOxS26lKAYh2qYENZXDi/e/sqk3W17X8izKm9FOnTeB oYw90pwMTwnXyx4lrpdT3j1YLOc1iFOIyfZXY= Received: by 10.91.103.11 with SMTP id f11mr131226agm.55.1286317752027; Tue, 05 Oct 2010 15:29:12 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.231.55.74 with SMTP id t10ls3401478ibg.3.p; Tue, 05 Oct 2010 15:29:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.42.2.21 with SMTP id 21mr2972932ici.21.1286317751468; Tue, 05 Oct 2010 15:29:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.42.2.21 with SMTP id 21mr2972931ici.21.1286317751428; Tue, 05 Oct 2010 15:29:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-iw0-f171.google.com (mail-iw0-f171.google.com [209.85.214.171]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id cn5si53138ibb.2.2010.10.05.15.29.10; Tue, 05 Oct 2010 15:29:10 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.171 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.214.171; Received: by iwn9 with SMTP id 9so471793iwn.30 for ; Tue, 05 Oct 2010 15:29:10 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.155.212 with SMTP id t20mr12941336ibw.37.1286317749974; Tue, 05 Oct 2010 15:29:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.206.16 with HTTP; Tue, 5 Oct 2010 15:29:09 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <201010011823.25227.phma@phma.optus.nu> <4CA76670.50601@lojban.org> Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2010 16:29:09 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] la za'e filjvocedra (The Age of Easy Lujvo) From: Jonathan Jones To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: eyeonus@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.171 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=eyeonus@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016369c897a8e37ed0491e6300d --0016369c897a8e37ed0491e6300d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 4:15 PM, Luke Bergen wrote: > Doesn't the CLL talk somewhere about how making monday be 1 works for all > cultures because sunday can be day 0 or day 7. Personally that's how I > remember weekday names in lojban anyway, I call sunday nondei. > > I don't really care what the system is for naming days but it seems like > they should be sequential in some way in stead of seemingly random names. > e.g. I prefer pavmasti to vormasti > I don't know about days of the week, but I do know that Japanese uses numbers for months. I would assume that most languages use either a Roman derived system, as English does, or a Chinese(?) based system, which I believe is where jimdei comes from. Personally, I prefer to use numbering for both weekdays and months, for the same reason I prefer the metric system. (no way! An U.S.American that prefers metric?!?! They exist?!?!) Easier to remember. (There's 16 pints in a gallon, right?) 2010/10/5 Jorge Llamb=EDas > >> On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 5:20 PM, Luke Bergen >> wrote: >> >> > Blargh, I can't stand {jimdei}. To me it smacks of malpo'o. >> >> Possibly. But "mumdei" might be horribly confusing to those whose >> native language's word for Thursday is something like "fifth day". A >> little malzdo would be preferrable to horrible confusion. >> >> We should ask a Hebrew, Portuguese, Greek, Georgian, Armenian, >> Vietnamese, Icelandic, Arabic, Malay, Indonesian, Javanese, Sundanese, >> Persian, Kazakh or Turkish speaker what they think. >> >> > And why is {mumdei} a span of 5 days? >> >> Because of the "mu", how many else would it be? >> >> > According to vlasisku both mumdei and jimdei >> > have the same definition (http://vlasisku.lojban.org/friday). >> >> That's why I said if you were writing "for me". I know that "mumdei" >> has been (not very thoughtfully in my opinion) defined as "Friday". >> >> > So either >> > jimdei also means "5 day period" or either one can be used to refer to >> > friday. >> >> Or only one of them could mean Friday, or neither. >> >> > Incidentally, mi mumdeita'i ca lo reldei .oiro'e .i mi bilga tu'a ci >> djedi >> > ji'a >> >> .i a'o do zi cpacu lo nejni >> >> mu'o mi'e xorxes >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Group= s >> "lojban" group. >> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com >> . >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. >> >> > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. > --=20 mu'o mi'e .aionys. .i.a'o.e'e ko cmima le bende pe lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi luk. mi patfu d= o zo'o (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den. --0016369c897a8e37ed0491e6300d Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 4:15 PM, Luke Bergen <lukeabergen@gmai= l.com> wrote:
Doesn't the CLL talk somewhere about how making monday be 1 works for a= ll cultures because sunday can be day 0 or day 7. =A0Personally that's = how I remember weekday names in lojban anyway, I call sunday nondei.

I don't really care what the system is for naming days but i= t seems like they should be sequential in some way in stead of seemingly ra= ndom names. =A0e.g. I prefer pavmasti to vormasti

I don't know about days of the week, but I do know that Japane= se uses numbers for months. I would assume that most languages use either a= Roman derived system, as English does, or a Chinese(?) based system, which= I believe is where jimdei comes from.

Personally, I prefer to use numbering for both weekdays and months, for= the same reason I prefer the metric system. (no way! An U.S.American that = prefers metric?!?! They exist?!?!) Easier to remember. (There's 16 pint= s in a gallon, right?)

2010/10/5 Jorge Llamb=EDas <jjllambias@gmail.com>
On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 5:20 PM, Luke Bergen <lukeabergen@gmail.com> wrote:

> Blargh, I can't stand {jimdei}. =A0To me it smacks of malpo'o.=

Possibly. But "mum= dei" might be horribly confusing to those whose
native language's word for Thursday is something like "fifth day&q= uot;. A
little malzdo would be preferrable to horrible confusion.

We should ask a Hebrew, Portuguese, Greek, Georgian, Armenian,
Vietnamese, Icelandic, Arabic, Malay, Indonesian, Javanese, Sundanese,
Persian, Kazakh or Turkish speaker what they think.

> =A0And why is {mumdei} a span of 5 days?

Because of the "mu", how many else would it be?

>=A0According to vlasisku both mumdei and jimdei
> have the same definition (http://vlasisku.lojban.org/friday).

That's why I said if you were writing "for me". I know = that "mumdei"
has been (not very thoughtfully in my opinion) defined as "Friday"= ;.

>=A0So either
> jimdei also means "5 day period" or either one can be used t= o refer to
> friday.

Or only one of them could mean Friday, or neither.

> Incidentally, mi mumdeita'i ca lo reldei .oiro'e .i mi bilga t= u'a ci djedi
> ji'a

.i a'o do zi cpacu lo nejni

mu'o mi'e xorxes

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