From lojban+bncCMHEmaCOBhDn4q7lBBoE-X-PiQ@googlegroups.com Tue Oct 05 16:15:06 2010 Received: from mail-yw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.213.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1P3Git-0004el-1d; Tue, 05 Oct 2010 16:15:06 -0700 Received: by ywo7 with SMTP id 7sf314270ywo.16 for ; Tue, 05 Oct 2010 16:14:57 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=0EMhOFLUvD6J4XpDk2smzBAh/GD2mXmuVnn+WSzZKF0=; b=iBdBiit8trz6gbbejmROKu3KhWN6+CTEQx6RgcDt31UfWS7bPIeIwXL8Z1Vg4tUkcv O1/dj+aeoAHanPWi/qnkoU/XLr2SVDe33iK/MlLFjcKnkIPTMwtTPUdSsRp+sfhCrq3S OzD8xCUFDncO/XFQ1L8VxlZe5KIZvoeJU2NZY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=xj+Fxq7hZiiAXysYKidNPeLM1geBxuqLbuXJnWvHj4ny+RYX/jEQYNXGxr3amDg0BT pJLpwDwzOUXyhUkLa8hv2ZXs///iUgyS08Vm20eNzLjFPBDyk2W7I4i/P5es7r5lXGpr SY0EhNS1KJU6Rn5rsAAdtrKHcjWYWfYrLGrIU= Received: by 10.90.57.13 with SMTP id f13mr2944aga.39.1286320487959; Tue, 05 Oct 2010 16:14:47 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.231.196.65 with SMTP id ef1ls407616ibb.0.p; Tue, 05 Oct 2010 16:14:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.156.194 with SMTP id y2mr2927072ibw.19.1286320487293; Tue, 05 Oct 2010 16:14:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.156.194 with SMTP id y2mr2927071ibw.19.1286320487260; Tue, 05 Oct 2010 16:14:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-iw0-f177.google.com (mail-iw0-f177.google.com [209.85.214.177]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id cn5si74481ibb.6.2010.10.05.16.14.46; Tue, 05 Oct 2010 16:14:46 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.177 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.214.177; Received: by mail-iw0-f177.google.com with SMTP id 1so2479394iwn.36 for ; Tue, 05 Oct 2010 16:14:46 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.42.96.2 with SMTP id h2mr353945icn.189.1286320486079; Tue, 05 Oct 2010 16:14:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.206.16 with HTTP; Tue, 5 Oct 2010 16:14:45 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <201010011823.25227.phma@phma.optus.nu> <4CA76670.50601@lojban.org> Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2010 17:14:45 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] la za'e filjvocedra (The Age of Easy Lujvo) From: Jonathan Jones To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: eyeonus@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.177 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=eyeonus@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf303ea67aa3dbe20491e6d3c2 --20cf303ea67aa3dbe20491e6d3c2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 2010/10/5 Jorge Llamb=EDas > On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 7:52 PM, Jonathan Jones wrote: > > 2010/10/5 Jorge Llamb=EDas > >> > >> I would think the discussion has to come before the decision, not > >> after. What's the point of discussing it afterwards? > > > > Discussion about which system to use, yes. > > > > Discussion about confusions arising from some people learning the > (decided) > > system, no. > > Why should such potential confusions not be taken into account when > making the decision? It doesn't have to be the single deciding factor, > but it can be one more factor to consider. For me personally, it is > not the deciding factor, but it helped me decide against the numeric > system, which I dislike more for Lojban-internal reasons. > So, what are your Lojban-internal reasons? I am very much interesting in hearing them. Unfortunately, for month names there isn't an equally nifty solution > as for week-day names, so I haven't made up my mind on that yet. > Fu'ivla names have been proposed, but I'm not too sure I like them. > > mu'o mi'e xorxes > Well, considering my dislike of fu'ivla in general, I don't think I need to state my opinion on that. --=20 mu'o mi'e .aionys. .i.a'o.e'e ko cmima le bende pe lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi luk. mi patfu d= o zo'o (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den. --20cf303ea67aa3dbe20491e6d3c2 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
2010/10/5 Jorge Llamb=EDas <= ;jjllambias@gmail.com>
On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 7:52 PM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
> 2010/10/5 Jorge Llamb=EDas <jjllambias@gmail.com>
>>
>> I would think the discussion has to come b= efore the decision, not
>> after. What's the point of discussing it afterwards?
>
> Discussion about which system to use, yes.
>
> Discussion about confusions arising from some people learning the (dec= ided)
> system, no.

Why should such potential confusions not be taken into account when making the decision? It doesn't have to be the single deciding factor,<= br> but it can be one more factor to consider. For me personally, it is
not the deciding factor, but it helped me decide against the numeric
system, which I dislike more for Lojban-internal reasons.
<= div>
So, what are your Lojban-internal reasons? I am very much interesti= ng in hearing them.

Unfortunately, for month names there isn't an equally nifty solution as for week-day names, so I haven't made up my mind on that yet.
Fu'ivla names have been proposed, but I'm not too sure I like them.=

mu'o mi'e xorxes

Well, considering my d= islike of fu'ivla in general, I don't think I need to state my opin= ion on that.

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mu'o mi'e .aionys.

.i.a'o.e'e ko cmima le bende pe lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi luk. mi= patfu do zo'o
(Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )

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