From lojban+bncCMHEmaCOBhC9zK_lBBoEX3Jh0w@googlegroups.com Tue Oct 05 20:00:32 2010 Received: from mail-yx0-f189.google.com ([209.85.213.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1P3KF2-0000Wx-BZ; Tue, 05 Oct 2010 20:00:31 -0700 Received: by yxs7 with SMTP id 7sf5231881yxs.16 for ; Tue, 05 Oct 2010 20:00:22 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=gY32uzXfodIeRwS1d1o4cQ+XAT8mn5Z0bxWc0C7Wfn8=; b=vCxQWOtByJK73ETCCwOzmi0o3um1Qp+YzVoHFPl+jz9WsE7NDJ4GJxGH5cyc8+eQYs 0HQhftNgXYH3T+vJfsJ4MJkeDBu57rTvEN3pJu+a3W4i9cI3ej2kBW8tkn8xo9kedJLO ePM4ZCtfH+9sFrq3eKYaKn6lSPJohDMDxeU/8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=BILLSKbw0VmIBPj+3mGgbVaIvQMARG8Cr/axxcdTLCYrqeJYk3Zv9aaD4wjkasZ4lT uziL/Kwyuo+qqsrRbFFfoHJR0bttU27pEhB1UKpNJdLANxSzbT/z5RWzdbMOXQ3DG89Z L8HlKzVdEFSdBEi3Dgo6JqfjFYMSR3NQBSCD0= Received: by 10.91.10.24 with SMTP id n24mr846396agi.0.1286334013823; Tue, 05 Oct 2010 20:00:13 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.231.125.77 with SMTP id x13ls3492846ibr.1.p; Tue, 05 Oct 2010 20:00:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.42.3.210 with SMTP id 18mr2593107icp.8.1286334011652; Tue, 05 Oct 2010 20:00:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.42.3.210 with SMTP id 18mr2593106icp.8.1286334011630; Tue, 05 Oct 2010 20:00:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-iw0-f176.google.com (mail-iw0-f176.google.com [209.85.214.176]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id e4si188596ibc.4.2010.10.05.20.00.10; Tue, 05 Oct 2010 20:00:10 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.176 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.214.176; Received: by mail-iw0-f176.google.com with SMTP id 6so6761309iwn.7 for ; Tue, 05 Oct 2010 20:00:10 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.171.7 with SMTP id f7mr13220315ibz.72.1286334010472; Tue, 05 Oct 2010 20:00:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.206.16 with HTTP; Tue, 5 Oct 2010 20:00:10 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2010 21:00:10 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] a different weekday proposal From: Jonathan Jones To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: eyeonus@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.176 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=eyeonus@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016369f9dc7c1bb270491e9f92a --0016369f9dc7c1bb270491e9f92a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 8:35 PM, Stela Selckiku wrote: > Since we're back on weekdays, going around the same arguments as > usual, I thought I'd try proposing something new. Numbers are > arbitrary, and there exist several contradictory systems in the world > so they could be confusing. The cimjvo we borrowed from Japanese or > whatever are just as arbitrary to most Lojbanists, and many people > feel they violate our longstanding (if rarely achieved) goal of being > za'e klunu'i (kulnu zei nutli, culturally neutral). So here's an > entirely different idea: > > Let's make new lujvo for the weekdays (and perhaps months, etc) with > meaning in Lojbanic culture. We could simply choose things to do on > the various days of the week, and name the days for what we've decided > to do on them! Then the seven names of the days of the week won't > just be some arbitrary facts to learn, but rather important meaningful > facts that will tie new Lojbanists closer to our culture, and that > will enrich and deepen our culture. > > Here are a few random ideas I thought of, just to prime the pump. > Back when I was doing the .jefnuz. project, I was putting out the > weekly news on the same day every week, I think it was Sunday. So we > could restart a weekly news project, and the day the news came out > could be known as za'e "nuzdei" (nuzba zei djedi, news day). Another > random idea: We could have a day for acting silly, and call it za'e > "bebdei" (bebna zei djedi, fool day). > > Anyone else have an idea for a Lojbanic weekday? > > mi'e > > la stela selckiku > > mu'o I am not going to comment on this, as my reasons for disliking the concept scheme are based on it not being systematic, and while your suggestion is a good one, it's still not systematic. I shall lurk, however, as I am interested in this discussion. ;) -- mu'o mi'e .aionys. .i.a'o.e'e ko cmima le bende pe lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi luk. mi patfu do zo'o (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. --0016369f9dc7c1bb270491e9f92a Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 8:35 PM, Stela Selckiku <= span dir=3D"ltr"><selckiku@gmail.c= om> wrote:
Since we're back on weekdays, going around the same arguments as
usual, I thought I'd try proposing something new. =A0Numbers are
arbitrary, and there exist several contradictory systems in the world
so they could be confusing. =A0The cimjvo we borrowed from Japanese or
whatever are just as arbitrary to most Lojbanists, and many people
feel they violate our longstanding (if rarely achieved) goal of being
za'e klunu'i (kulnu zei nutli, culturally neutral). =A0So here'= s an
entirely different idea:

Let's make new lujvo for the weekdays (and perhaps months, etc) with meaning in Lojbanic culture. =A0We could simply choose things to do on
the various days of the week, and name the days for what we've decided<= br> to do on them! =A0Then the seven names of the days of the week won't just be some arbitrary facts to learn, but rather important meaningful
facts that will tie new Lojbanists closer to our culture, and that
will enrich and deepen our culture.

Here are a few random ideas I thought of, just to prime the pump.
Back when I was doing the .jefnuz. project, I was putting out the
weekly news on the same day every week, I think it was Sunday. =A0So we
could restart a weekly news project, and the day the news came out
could be known as za'e "nuzdei" (nuzba zei djedi, news day). = =A0Another
random idea: We could have a day for acting silly, and call it za'e
"bebdei" (bebna zei djedi, fool day).

Anyone else have an idea for a Lojbanic weekday?

mi'e

la stela selckiku

mu'o

I am not going to comment on this, as my reas= ons for disliking the concept scheme are based on it not being systematic, = and while your suggestion is a good one, it's still not systematic. I s= hall lurk, however, as I am interested in this discussion. ;)

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mu'o mi'e .aionys.

.i.a'o.e'e ko cmima le= bende pe lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi luk. mi patfu do zo'o
(Come to= the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )

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