From lojban+bncCIycn8S8DhCD-LHlBBoEizNI3Q@googlegroups.com Wed Oct 06 06:39:43 2010 Received: from mail-qw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.216.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1P3UDT-0002fW-9d; Wed, 06 Oct 2010 06:39:42 -0700 Received: by qwa26 with SMTP id 26sf339924qwa.16 for ; Wed, 06 Oct 2010 06:39:25 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=F1qqeBGD0mAr/JTALOkR82hmHrGJp0Gp+TqbVPCM9PM=; b=3jMB9LCZIemId5QfIjvDSuGVg/jMbmZHHRM0ePl1r3n5o+Q7LDehJQId+ZSF9IHXz6 vjwOOkHAFelJExyJ21FtnWoCkFfSrnwYQH+bHVGq4bKgdVnT1iI+ahK4/crsqlVYDdZW 2guh5o9ZlPSjZXllienCq9WMk/rEeppmW+NkY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=adt3HIjVvvNVSE+5QGZ9dH6M84dk/FTR5bdNK7fDufcXxBiOc0aBELXpNSKFZNQc5Z zYozZuLywdUQa3EnanGd0D/TSA3xNnL7F6Yd1kDS+9LlrcOdsYjp/jSZpwFnmhYZ7yRd CKDnj9uO7rK5lVWznAmgYUTWfHR6YVllGAiNw= Received: by 10.220.194.2 with SMTP id dw2mr69724vcb.25.1286372355849; Wed, 06 Oct 2010 06:39:15 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.220.183.198 with SMTP id ch6ls638937vcb.2.p; Wed, 06 Oct 2010 06:39:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.187.9 with SMTP id cu9mr464035vcb.6.1286372355008; Wed, 06 Oct 2010 06:39:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.187.9 with SMTP id cu9mr464033vcb.6.1286372354965; Wed, 06 Oct 2010 06:39:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qy0-f173.google.com (mail-qy0-f173.google.com [209.85.216.173]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id l22si599859vbn.4.2010.10.06.06.39.13; Wed, 06 Oct 2010 06:39:13 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 209.85.216.173 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.216.173; Received: by mail-qy0-f173.google.com with SMTP id 32so3493061qyk.18 for ; Wed, 06 Oct 2010 06:39:13 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.224.80.133 with SMTP id t5mr9636465qak.75.1286372352758; Wed, 06 Oct 2010 06:39:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.85.3 with HTTP; Wed, 6 Oct 2010 06:39:12 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <201010011823.25227.phma@phma.optus.nu> <4CA76670.50601@lojban.org> Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2010 09:39:12 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] la za'e filjvocedra (The Age of Easy Lujvo) From: Michael Turniansky To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: mturniansky@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 209.85.216.173 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=mturniansky@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 2010/10/5 Jorge Llamb=EDas : > On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 5:20 PM, Luke Bergen wrote= : >> Blargh, I can't stand {jimdei}. =A0To me it smacks of malpo'o. > > Possibly. But "mumdei" might be horribly confusing to those whose > native language's word for Thursday is something like "fifth day". A > little malzdo would be preferrable to horrible confusion. > > We should ask a Hebrew, Portuguese, Greek, Georgian, Armenian, > Vietnamese, Icelandic, Arabic, Malay, Indonesian, Javanese, Sundanese, > Persian, Kazakh or Turkish speaker what they think. Precisely because of cultural associations (the Sabbath is defined as the seventh day in the Bible) and Hebrew language associations (the first six days are numbered, with the seventh day being "The Sabbath"), I get confused and dislike the fact that the lojban day numbering system starts with Monday. However, I accept it as the price of "cultural neutrality (*coughcough*)". Accepting a different, conflicting system of doing something is part and parcel of learning a new language/culture (and at least it's not as potentionally lethal as remembering which side of the road to drive on as you leave the Chunnel in either direction (unless of course, you are, say, scheduling trains to run on certain tracks on certain days of teh week, or similar)) And I certainly don't hate it as much as I do the non-numerical day system, because there is no way in heck I coulde ever remember those seven days. At least numbering is rational. --gejyspa --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.