From lojban+bncCOjSjrXVGBDcmbLlBBoEE8Gc7A@googlegroups.com Wed Oct 06 07:51:25 2010 Received: from mail-gy0-f189.google.com ([209.85.160.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1P3VKy-0002Jw-Kl; Wed, 06 Oct 2010 07:51:25 -0700 Received: by gya1 with SMTP id 1sf5869031gya.16 for ; Wed, 06 Oct 2010 07:51:14 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=CqMc34spN9egjZGjuj7EYC/u8e/LVU5U4voJ5kKdr78=; b=FnhVxC4BfLIjliYUaZkYXvTVWf3PxQdhg8ncNC4ZAnuKPRh4aopGIU2dvcyXdHtxbX q81gOI0kHKCTfepekUkfaqJnT5di0ULNITZk/M/Ph2e4mof7+JjowoQO+PEWui4uvDCv Bg6WZDYwAJA3nMKu0T1RUMqUI8INO8FC0ZRyA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=HGZ5mnE9alRmdrB2xRH1eV9MBQoPFET7TZkq1mhOdjoFloGdQFD3sNUqyICGWZhNKv qzadKyEJqdDlWSt6sBkGPRJ/T/xOCaMJb6QRtkMNJ02jwrPYKMg4v19E04gxDnaEG98F e94vpQJeINdhQNIfnBRkCBMp8dGODy2/hPhxk= Received: by 10.91.11.24 with SMTP id o24mr463605agi.37.1286376668444; Wed, 06 Oct 2010 07:51:08 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.231.55.74 with SMTP id t10ls3766486ibg.3.p; Wed, 06 Oct 2010 07:51:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.35.77 with SMTP id o13mr2602866ibd.3.1286376667560; Wed, 06 Oct 2010 07:51:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.35.77 with SMTP id o13mr2602864ibd.3.1286376667475; Wed, 06 Oct 2010 07:51:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-iw0-f178.google.com (mail-iw0-f178.google.com [209.85.214.178]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id cm31si592732ibb.3.2010.10.06.07.51.06; Wed, 06 Oct 2010 07:51:06 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of lukeabergen@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.178 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.214.178; Received: by mail-iw0-f178.google.com with SMTP id 35so14302492iwn.37 for ; Wed, 06 Oct 2010 07:51:06 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.146.141 with SMTP id h13mr14136489ibv.1.1286376665702; Wed, 06 Oct 2010 07:51:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.48.79 with HTTP; Wed, 6 Oct 2010 07:51:05 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <988196.2497.qm@web81306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <0cee366c-9694-4744-b8fe-2d95a393f3a6@y12g2000prb.googlegroups.com> <201010060725.47627.phma@phma.optus.nu> <988196.2497.qm@web81306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2010 10:51:05 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: a different weekday proposal From: Luke Bergen To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: lukeabergen@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of lukeabergen@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.178 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=lukeabergen@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e647ed10355cfc0491f3e895 --0016e647ed10355cfc0491f3e895 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable That's what happens as lojban conversation continues. Haha, here we go: lo cribe flalu: as a lojban conversation grows longer, the probability of = a proposal being made approaches 1. I like your skari idea, gejyspa. It's systematic but still flexible enough that different cultures can coin new words by making finer or courser color-dei names. I am in favor of this proposal. On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 10:37 AM, John E Clifford wrot= e: > And I thought the kerfuffle about Alice was a pain! 1. Just using 7-day > weeks > is already culturally non neutral, since many societies (at least in the > past) > did not have this (seems to have spread with Abrahamic religions). 2. Ho= w > did > you get off on this from a discussion of portmanteau words? 3. Since when > did > portmanteau words have a fixed interpretation? Used to be that, even more > than > tanru, the packer had a choice of what was meant -- within certain bounds= , > of > course. 4. Hell, I forgot. > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Michael Turniansky > To: lojban@googlegroups.com > Sent: Wed, October 6, 2010 9:22:07 AM > Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: a different weekday proposal > > On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 9:52 AM, Michael Turniansky > wrote: > > 2010/10/6 Jorge Llamb=EDas : > >> On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 8:25 AM, Pierre Abbat > wrote: > >>> > >>> I prefer "fagdei" etc., but have a hard time remembering which is whi= ch > of > >the > >>> middle three. The kanji for them look more similar to me than any of > the > >>> other four do. Can you help me remember the order? > >> > >> The mnemonic I use is that the days become more solid as the week > progresses: > >> > >> fagdei -> jaurdei -> mudydei -> jimdei > >> > >> derdei may not quite fit, but we don't have trouble with that one. > >> > >> mu'o mi'e xorxes > >> > > > > Okay here is my proposal (starting on Wednesday in a foolhardy > > attempt to be culturally neutral) > > > > zarskugejyspadei ( Wednesday) > > kirgejyspadei (Thursday) > > lejgejyspadei (Friday) > > djugejyspadei (Saturday) > > cevgaugejyspade (Sunday) > > pukygejyspadei (Monday) > > kelkangejyspadei (Tuesday) > > > > I'm sure everyone can see how this sytem is logical, culturally > > neutral, easy to remember, and benefical to the jobce'u. I expect it > > to be universaaly adopted forthwith. > > > > --gejyspa > > > > Okay, this time, an actually SERIOUS proposal which just occurred to > me as I was going to get a soda. It answers the objections to the > previous systems... 1) it is culturally neutral, AFAIK 2) it is > rational, as it relates the members of one ordered seven-cycle to > another ordered seven cycle. Here is my proposal: > > xundei, najdei, peldei, ri'odje, cicnydei, bladei, zirdei > > I suggest for the sake of cultural neutrality, making the cycle start > so that zirdei be Tuesday, since I was born on Tuesday and purple is > my favorite color. If I was culturally un-neutral, I'd say xunday is > Sunday, since that's the "start" for both cycles.... > > --gejyspa > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. > > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. > > --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den. --0016e647ed10355cfc0491f3e895 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable That's what happens as lojban conversation continues. =A0Haha, here we = go: =A0
lo cribe flalu: =A0as a lojban conversation grows longer, the p= robability of a proposal being made approaches 1.

= I like your skari idea, gejyspa. =A0It's systematic but still flexible = enough that different cultures can coin new words by making finer or course= r color-dei names. =A0I am in favor of this proposal.

On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 10:37 AM, John E Clif= ford <kali9put= ra@yahoo.com> wrote:
And I thought the kerfuffle about Alice was a pain! =A01. =A0Just using 7-d= ay weeks
is already culturally non neutral, since many societies (at least in the pa= st)
did not have this (seems to have spread with Abrahamic religions). 2. =A0Ho= w did
you get off on this from a discussion of portmanteau words? 3. Since when d= id
portmanteau words have a fixed interpretation? Used to be that, even more t= han
tanru, the packer had a choice of what was meant -- within certain bounds, = of
course. =A04. =A0Hell, I forgot.


----- Original Message ----
From: Michael Turniansky <mturn= iansky@gmail.com>
To: lojban@googlegroups.com<= br> Sent: Wed, October 6, 2010 9:22:07 AM
Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: a different weekday proposal

On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 9:52 AM, Michael Turniansky
<mturniansky@gmail.com> = wrote:
> 2010/10/6 Jorge Llamb=EDas <jjllambias@gmail.com>:
>> On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 8:25 AM, Pierre Abbat <phma@phma.optus.nu> wrote:
>>>
>>> I prefer "fagdei" etc., but have a hard time remembe= ring which is which of
>the
>>> middle three. The kanji for them look more similar to me than = any of the
>>> other four do. Can you help me remember the order?
>>
>> The mnemonic I use is that the days become more solid as the week = progresses:
>>
>> =A0 =A0 =A0 fagdei -> jaurdei -> mudydei -> jimdei
>>
>> derdei may not quite fit, but we don't have trouble with that = one.
>>
>> mu'o mi'e xorxes
>>
>
> =A0 Okay here is my proposal (starting on Wednesday in a foolhardy
> attempt to be culturally neutral)
>
> zarskugejyspadei ( Wednesday)
> kirgejyspadei (Thursday)
> lejgejyspadei (Friday)
> djugejyspadei (Saturday)
> cevgaugejyspade (Sunday)
> pukygejyspadei (Monday)
> kelkangejyspadei (Tuesday)
>
> I'm sure everyone can see how this sytem is logical, culturally > neutral, easy to remember, and benefical to the jobce'u. =A0I expe= ct it
> to be universaaly adopted forthwith.
>
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0--gejyspa
>

=A0Okay, this time, an actually SERIOUS proposal which just occurred to me as I was going to get a soda. =A0It answers the objections to the
previous systems... 1) it is culturally neutral, AFAIK 2) it is
rational, as it relates the members of one =A0ordered seven-cycle to
another ordered seven cycle. =A0Here is my proposal:

xundei, najdei, peldei, ri'odje, cicnydei, bladei, zirdei

I suggest for the sake of cultural neutrality, making the cycle start
so that zirdei be Tuesday, since I was born on Tuesday and purple is
my favorite color. If I was culturally un-neutral, I'd say xunday is Sunday, since that's the "start" for both cycles....

=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 --gejyspa

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