From lojban+bncCOjSjrXVGBCUmrLlBBoETkB6pw@googlegroups.com Wed Oct 06 07:53:29 2010 Received: from mail-yx0-f189.google.com ([209.85.213.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1P3VMx-0002Wg-IB; Wed, 06 Oct 2010 07:53:28 -0700 Received: by yxs7 with SMTP id 7sf5863831yxs.16 for ; Wed, 06 Oct 2010 07:53:17 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=ZgZH+8iqwWpYhTHAmDmUkT+G5BuXbdBbtOHBzOwzglM=; b=aEku4epwqoTyyHnCYa1ED3Fgvapb7PC9/guhPHTTUlCr7SRCkDNY9n0zHv0O2biga6 MVIAj3/RRkiCwA3X/8RmvH4PavWyyMHBqAb1qSGnuylw3idGt5Ytyh9BiBE0gCC09Sxl ON4atcprkcRqtXt4lcwJbRcHTzqkOvWRyHbkg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=4vwCLb7h6z+AqoEI/qYfZxgWQA4Ng3bfl73SDeDIKuB6YYp6xK5kvK33O1cL0SyDiy jKP92IsEIWfFcdOdejUptuPtRo+H3NHWFjBnrh9LfIgsSzB32m4Cv4eok3OjwbPhuYZa lohXHCGE7DopNG+Tn1F/aIra4j6JbSWFytwNU= Received: by 10.90.19.26 with SMTP id 26mr212684ags.45.1286376724410; Wed, 06 Oct 2010 07:52:04 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.231.196.65 with SMTP id ef1ls187378ibb.0.p; Wed, 06 Oct 2010 07:52:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.36.73 with SMTP id s9mr3176786ibd.14.1286376723861; Wed, 06 Oct 2010 07:52:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.36.73 with SMTP id s9mr3176785ibd.14.1286376723782; Wed, 06 Oct 2010 07:52:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-iw0-f177.google.com (mail-iw0-f177.google.com [209.85.214.177]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id b32si212738ibq.1.2010.10.06.07.52.02; Wed, 06 Oct 2010 07:52:02 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of lukeabergen@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.177 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.214.177; Received: by mail-iw0-f177.google.com with SMTP id 1so3821459iwn.36 for ; Wed, 06 Oct 2010 07:52:02 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.35.11 with SMTP id n11mr6041197ibd.168.1286376722595; Wed, 06 Oct 2010 07:52:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.48.79 with HTTP; Wed, 6 Oct 2010 07:52:02 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <0cee366c-9694-4744-b8fe-2d95a393f3a6@y12g2000prb.googlegroups.com> <201010060725.47627.phma@phma.optus.nu> <988196.2497.qm@web81306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2010 10:52:02 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: a different weekday proposal From: Luke Bergen To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: lukeabergen@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of lukeabergen@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.177 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=lukeabergen@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000325576e32990fb20491f3eb05 --000325576e32990fb20491f3eb05 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I guess that'd have to be {lo la .cribet. flalu}. I really should get around to re-working my name a bit so that it's not just a blatant gismu. On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 10:51 AM, Luke Bergen wrote: > That's what happens as lojban conversation continues. Haha, here we go: > lo cribe flalu: as a lojban conversation grows longer, the probability o= f > a proposal being made approaches 1. > > I like your skari idea, gejyspa. It's systematic but still flexible enou= gh > that different cultures can coin new words by making finer or courser > color-dei names. I am in favor of this proposal. > > > On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 10:37 AM, John E Clifford wr= ote: > >> And I thought the kerfuffle about Alice was a pain! 1. Just using 7-da= y >> weeks >> is already culturally non neutral, since many societies (at least in the >> past) >> did not have this (seems to have spread with Abrahamic religions). 2. H= ow >> did >> you get off on this from a discussion of portmanteau words? 3. Since whe= n >> did >> portmanteau words have a fixed interpretation? Used to be that, even mor= e >> than >> tanru, the packer had a choice of what was meant -- within certain bound= s, >> of >> course. 4. Hell, I forgot. >> >> >> ----- Original Message ---- >> From: Michael Turniansky >> To: lojban@googlegroups.com >> Sent: Wed, October 6, 2010 9:22:07 AM >> Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: a different weekday proposal >> >> On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 9:52 AM, Michael Turniansky >> wrote: >> > 2010/10/6 Jorge Llamb=EDas : >> >> On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 8:25 AM, Pierre Abbat >> wrote: >> >>> >> >>> I prefer "fagdei" etc., but have a hard time remembering which is >> which of >> >the >> >>> middle three. The kanji for them look more similar to me than any of >> the >> >>> other four do. Can you help me remember the order? >> >> >> >> The mnemonic I use is that the days become more solid as the week >> progresses: >> >> >> >> fagdei -> jaurdei -> mudydei -> jimdei >> >> >> >> derdei may not quite fit, but we don't have trouble with that one. >> >> >> >> mu'o mi'e xorxes >> >> >> > >> > Okay here is my proposal (starting on Wednesday in a foolhardy >> > attempt to be culturally neutral) >> > >> > zarskugejyspadei ( Wednesday) >> > kirgejyspadei (Thursday) >> > lejgejyspadei (Friday) >> > djugejyspadei (Saturday) >> > cevgaugejyspade (Sunday) >> > pukygejyspadei (Monday) >> > kelkangejyspadei (Tuesday) >> > >> > I'm sure everyone can see how this sytem is logical, culturally >> > neutral, easy to remember, and benefical to the jobce'u. I expect it >> > to be universaaly adopted forthwith. >> > >> > --gejyspa >> > >> >> Okay, this time, an actually SERIOUS proposal which just occurred to >> me as I was going to get a soda. It answers the objections to the >> previous systems... 1) it is culturally neutral, AFAIK 2) it is >> rational, as it relates the members of one ordered seven-cycle to >> another ordered seven cycle. Here is my proposal: >> >> xundei, najdei, peldei, ri'odje, cicnydei, bladei, zirdei >> >> I suggest for the sake of cultural neutrality, making the cycle start >> so that zirdei be Tuesday, since I was born on Tuesday and purple is >> my favorite color. If I was culturally un-neutral, I'd say xunday is >> Sunday, since that's the "start" for both cycles.... >> >> --gejyspa >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Group= s >> "lojban" group. >> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com >> . >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. >> >> >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Group= s >> "lojban" group. >> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com >> . >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. >> >> > --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den. --000325576e32990fb20491f3eb05 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I guess that'd have to be {lo la .cribet. flalu}. =A0I really should ge= t around to re-working my name a bit so that it's not just a=A0blatant= =A0gismu.

On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 10:51 AM= , Luke Bergen <lukeabergen@gmail.com> wrote:
That's what happens as lojban conversat= ion continues. =A0Haha, here we go: =A0
lo cribe flalu: =A0as a lojban = conversation grows longer, the probability of a proposal being made approac= hes 1.

I like your skari idea, gejyspa. =A0It's systematic= but still flexible enough that different cultures can coin new words by ma= king finer or courser color-dei names. =A0I am in favor of this proposal.


On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 10:37 AM, John E Clif= ford <kali9putra@yahoo.com> wrote:
And I thought the kerfuffle about Alice was a pain! =A01. =A0Just using 7-d= ay weeks
is already culturally non neutral, since many societies (at least in the pa= st)
did not have this (seems to have spread with Abrahamic religions). 2. =A0Ho= w did
you get off on this from a discussion of portmanteau words? 3. Since when d= id
portmanteau words have a fixed interpretation? Used to be that, even more t= han
tanru, the packer had a choice of what was meant -- within certain bounds, = of
course. =A04. =A0Hell, I forgot.


----- Original Message ----
From: Michael Turniansky <mturniansky@gmail.com>
To: lojban@goo= glegroups.com
Sent: Wed, October 6, 2010 9:22:07 AM
Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: a different weekday proposal

On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 9:52 AM, Michael Turniansky
<mturniansky@= gmail.com> wrote:
> 2010/10/6 Jorge Llamb=EDas <jjllambias@gmail.com>:
>> On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 8:25 AM, Pierre Abbat <phma@phma.optus.nu> wrote: >>>
>>> I prefer "fagdei" etc., but have a hard time remembe= ring which is which of
>the
>>> middle three. The kanji for them look more similar to me than = any of the
>>> other four do. Can you help me remember the order?
>>
>> The mnemonic I use is that the days become more solid as the week = progresses:
>>
>> =A0 =A0 =A0 fagdei -> jaurdei -> mudydei -> jimdei
>>
>> derdei may not quite fit, but we don't have trouble with that = one.
>>
>> mu'o mi'e xorxes
>>
>
> =A0 Okay here is my proposal (starting on Wednesday in a foolhardy
> attempt to be culturally neutral)
>
> zarskugejyspadei ( Wednesday)
> kirgejyspadei (Thursday)
> lejgejyspadei (Friday)
> djugejyspadei (Saturday)
> cevgaugejyspade (Sunday)
> pukygejyspadei (Monday)
> kelkangejyspadei (Tuesday)
>
> I'm sure everyone can see how this sytem is logical, culturally > neutral, easy to remember, and benefical to the jobce'u. =A0I expe= ct it
> to be universaaly adopted forthwith.
>
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0--gejyspa
>

=A0Okay, this time, an actually SERIOUS proposal which just occurred to me as I was going to get a soda. =A0It answers the objections to the
previous systems... 1) it is culturally neutral, AFAIK 2) it is
rational, as it relates the members of one =A0ordered seven-cycle to
another ordered seven cycle. =A0Here is my proposal:

xundei, najdei, peldei, ri'odje, cicnydei, bladei, zirdei

I suggest for the sake of cultural neutrality, making the cycle start
so that zirdei be Tuesday, since I was born on Tuesday and purple is
my favorite color. If I was culturally un-neutral, I'd say xunday is Sunday, since that's the "start" for both cycles....

=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 --gejyspa

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