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Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: a different weekday proposal
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Ain't no natchural weeks.  Maybe a quarter of a lunar cycle or something like 
that, but almost nobody (OK the whole East, near, middle and far) uses that. 
 The usual story is that it was to honor the seven gods visible over the course 
of a day (hence English names and most Romance tongues).



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From: Luke Bergen <lukeabergen@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: a different weekday proposal

Probably because measurements of time are usually determined by events in space 
(earth rotating about the sun, moon rotating about the earth) and these things 
are globally observable.  The natural tendency then, is to come up with similar 
(but sometimes differently flavored) means of measuring time.  Units of measure 
are much more subjective and depend more on the length of your kings fore-arm ;)


On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 1:39 PM, Frank <frankdmartinez@gmail.com> wrote:


>
>
>On 6 October 2010 13:41, Krzysztof Sobolewski <jezuch@interia.pl> wrote:
>
>>It seems to me this is not even specific to Western culture, but only to 
>>Anglo-Saxon one, where there are wages paid weekly.
>>

>Even then, only some places pay weekly.  Some places pay twice a month, once a 
>month, or every two weeks.  Occasionally, One finds Workers paid daily.
> 
>Considering all this, I wonder: we have local major money units (rupnu), local 
>length units (gutci), local area units (kramu), but time is measured in minutes, 
>hours, days (OK, this is no surprise), 7-day weeks and 1/12-of-the-year months. 
>Why?
>>

>I realized I may have spending too much time on facebook when I started looking 
>around for the 'like' button to mark this observation.  ;-)
>
>mi'e xuinkrbin.
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ad><body><div style=3D"font-family:'times new roman', 'new york', times, se=
rif;font-size:12pt"><div>Ain't no natchural weeks. &nbsp;Maybe a quarter of=
 a lunar cycle or something like that, but almost nobody (OK the whole East=
, near, middle and far) uses that. &nbsp;The usual story is that it was to =
honor the seven gods visible over the course of a day (hence English names =
and most Romance tongues).</div><div style=3D"font-family:times new roman, =
new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><br><div style=3D"font-family:times =
new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><font size=3D"2" face=3D"=
Tahoma"><hr size=3D"1"><b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">From:</span></=
b> Luke Bergen &lt;lukeabergen@gmail.com&gt;<br><b><span style=3D"font-weig=
ht: bold;">To:</span></b> lojban@googlegroups.com<br><b><span style=3D"font=
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an
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ent weekday proposal<br></font><br>
Probably because measurements of time are usually determined by events in s=
pace (earth rotating about the sun, moon rotating about the earth) and thes=
e things are globally observable. &nbsp;The natural tendency then, is to co=
me up with similar (but sometimes differently flavored) means of measuring =
time. &nbsp;Units of measure are much more subjective and depend more on th=
e length of your kings fore-arm ;)<div>
<br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 1:39 PM, Frank <span =
dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow" ymailto=3D"mailto:frankdmartinez@gmail.=
com" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:frankdmartinez@gmail.com">frankdmarti=
nez@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" st=
yle=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div class=3D"im">On 6 October 2010 13:4=
1, Krzysztof Sobolewski <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow" ymailto=
=3D"mailto:jezuch@interia.pl" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:jezuch@inter=
ia.pl">jezuch@interia.pl</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<blockquote class=3D"gmail_qu=
ote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex=
;">



<br>
It seems to me this is not even specific to Western culture, but only to An=
glo-Saxon one, where there are wages paid weekly.<br></blockquote><div><br>=
</div></div><div>Even then, only some places pay weekly. &nbsp;Some places =
pay twice a month, once a month, or every two weeks. &nbsp;Occasionally, On=
e finds Workers paid daily.</div>
<div class=3D"im">

<div>&nbsp;</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8=
ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
Considering all this, I wonder: we have local major money units (rupnu), lo=
cal length units (gutci), local area units (kramu), but time is measured in=
 minutes, hours, days (OK, this is no surprise), 7-day weeks and 1/12-of-th=
e-year months. Why?<br>


</blockquote><div><br></div></div><div>I realized I may have spending too m=
uch time on facebook when I started looking around for the 'like' button to=
 mark this observation. &nbsp;;-)</div><div></div></div><br><div>mi'e xuink=
rbin.</div>
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