From lojban+bncCNTPpI2KGxDI6LflBBoEPu8ylw@googlegroups.com Thu Oct 07 09:24:56 2010 Received: from mail-pz0-f61.google.com ([209.85.210.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1P3tH1-00081g-TD; Thu, 07 Oct 2010 09:24:56 -0700 Received: by pzk7 with SMTP id 7sf5795pzk.16 for ; Thu, 07 Oct 2010 09:24:46 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:x-authority-analysis:x-cloudmark-score :x-originating-ip:received:received:from:to:subject:date:user-agent :references:in-reply-to:mime-version:message-id:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-disposition; bh=igovFA7ZNYohEhUAOAMJiGZuHwfGuXiEeepZGuKRnqw=; b=04og5KooKo9sRjC8L1tgdwyd/szblQVpY2RYbzzb/GjE+ddHRtuMWbXJYfnEHgORXa JjfHBazzKY60n3vqsl1bfM8M0N2lsLiwRSG/WdI/DN4uSjNNr6m005SXkgo1672UpQyf 6tHl6c3rrSa3fP0jykU+alaqyUr1ULgm7Az9Q= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:x-authority-analysis:x-cloudmark-score :x-originating-ip:from:to:subject:date:user-agent:references :in-reply-to:mime-version:message-id:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-disposition; b=gFBRQL1GHoxZXV9uxGni2fLtu3uNYp/CYfQER4FKQ+rgep3vhByZIRRRNlyYqjMKw1 blDkfmtkcjukrlFyg6cZSVRFPWOcZzewwmNkP5sGwgjn5o/BXKYDdCoENeTOkqJPlF26 mkfVROXtHcqckQWx08pzRbx4Uyr+rA+3f5pLc= Received: by 10.115.81.16 with SMTP id i16mr107849wal.1.1286468680132; Thu, 07 Oct 2010 09:24:40 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.115.98.19 with SMTP id a19ls247062wam.1.p; Thu, 07 Oct 2010 09:24:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.183.11 with SMTP id g11mr477058waf.4.1286468679205; Thu, 07 Oct 2010 09:24:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.183.11 with SMTP id g11mr477057waf.4.1286468679182; Thu, 07 Oct 2010 09:24:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.121]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id k36si230601wae.4.2010.10.07.09.24.38; Thu, 07 Oct 2010 09:24:39 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 75.180.132.121 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) client-ip=75.180.132.121; X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=UAZ0ep3suvkVn+xl78ZyFqEJZfCyw4fsauT9kMdOA88= c=1 sm=0 a=O9PGfAWoJ4AA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=Q9fys5e9bTEA:10 a=9o99xeNKNPYSmM5t9x5+TQ==:17 a=1uLiLhmpHdkt-csUNDcA:9 a=geakN86PVZP6AKE4p-UA:7 a=1rltbxeKHkKPqznvHIodJplwz8IA:4 a=PUjeQqilurYA:10 a=9o99xeNKNPYSmM5t9x5+TQ==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 75.176.118.168 Received: from [75.176.118.168] ([75.176.118.168:40368] helo=chausie) by cdptpa-oedge04.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.2.39 r()) with ESMTP id 10/BD-03860-644FDAC4; Thu, 07 Oct 2010 16:24:38 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chausie (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9173127C6 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 12:24:34 -0400 (EDT) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] cmavo and the gismu like them Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2010 12:24:29 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 (enterprise 0.20070907.709405) References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <201010071224.31384.phma@phma.optus.nu> X-Original-Sender: phma@phma.optus.nu X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 75.180.132.121 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) smtp.mail=phma@phma.optus.nu Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline On Thursday 07 October 2010 11:39:01 Luke Bergen wrote: > So, two questions. > > pamai Are there any gismu from which {mo'a} "originates" like dukse ~= du'e > that could aid me in remembering it? > remai Is there a list in existence for pairing these gismu~=cmavo to make > the lives of nintadni easier? > repimumai If not, whose up for a little project? Many cmavo are derived from a gismu, but with one of the letters altered to avoid conflict with another cmavo. For instance, "be'a" (north, a tense marker) is from "berti"; "be'i" is a preposition derived from "benji". At least one gismu has two cmavo derived from it, namely "mu'a" (in UI) and "mu'u" (in BAI). Both have the vowel altered from "mupli", because "mu'i" was already derived from "mukti". Speaking of "be'a", the compass direction letters are BNDV (=NSEW), not the absurd BSSS in one of the drawings of the Book. They stand for "be'a, ne'u, du'a, vu'a". Pierre -- Jews use a lunisolar calendar; Muslims use a solely lunar calendar. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.