From lojban+bncCNTPpI2KGxDlvpnlBBoENAp-MQ@googlegroups.com Fri Oct 01 15:23:48 2010 Received: from mail-pw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.160.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1P1o12-0001Ok-Um; Fri, 01 Oct 2010 15:23:48 -0700 Received: by pwj6 with SMTP id 6sf2194660pwj.16 for ; Fri, 01 Oct 2010 15:23:39 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:x-authority-analysis:x-cloudmark-score :x-originating-ip:received:received:from:to:subject:date:user-agent :references:in-reply-to:mime-version:message-id:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :content-disposition; bh=M5s/Hzgiois/QXQJiCYiqLeW+q518XL322K9ZyvzrQw=; b=AlJS5td3XTWXrdGKQzcXp0qVmnWf9g/ZrtIHKUTR+QB4gvmrFiUoFtYQlM8D3Z1RZ7 O8GDZn3Wdh/CQ2kgYZzGZYnIVValIU6+qzsfEFSYfQRBw1mK8JcImbNt/0ik0l1rVolt /pfASvu5FVDyBmtZb4CTbC234a47BtganYj88= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:x-authority-analysis:x-cloudmark-score :x-originating-ip:from:to:subject:date:user-agent:references :in-reply-to:mime-version:message-id:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :content-disposition; b=YTJ7N5Bs/+6vblBpIfR6ye88DDufhkUglWG2p3ylaKq064+8/bzi1gP2C2otaBCWPV XUUetIaUxWqcNowQwkhdM8yIIMRtNHeO4t8e1HO7Oqp+M2coJiMC9sqfatwUhZqNBv7Y y7WFySzOM1AElQGw3NHUKNbM/o8RTCFSdW3ik= Received: by 10.142.142.10 with SMTP id p10mr176233wfd.3.1285971813744; Fri, 01 Oct 2010 15:23:33 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.142.194.14 with SMTP id r14ls3846382wff.2.p; Fri, 01 Oct 2010 15:23:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.143.159.20 with SMTP id l20mr1958264wfo.48.1285971812994; Fri, 01 Oct 2010 15:23:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.143.159.20 with SMTP id l20mr1958263wfo.48.1285971812965; Fri, 01 Oct 2010 15:23:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.122]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id l7si1912120wff.6.2010.10.01.15.23.32; Fri, 01 Oct 2010 15:23:32 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 75.180.132.122 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) client-ip=75.180.132.122; X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=R3xZCyK5Rzzq4RgmEA8QIQ3hFZTdsD3z+kRPUs1QTwQ= c=1 sm=0 a=q_Yhov3COCAA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=9o99xeNKNPYSmM5t9x5+TQ==:17 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=lb0AFKsNyytnUgpAur8A:9 a=gdQLidPDBfY1PSYhq7Ura-R641YA:4 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=9o99xeNKNPYSmM5t9x5+TQ==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 75.176.118.168 Received: from [75.176.118.168] ([75.176.118.168:40885] helo=chausie) by cdptpa-oedge01.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 98/F2-06710-36F56AC4; Fri, 01 Oct 2010 22:23:32 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chausie (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97CE3C974 for ; Fri, 1 Oct 2010 18:23:26 -0400 (EDT) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] la za'e filjvocedra (The Age of Easy Lujvo) Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2010 18:23:24 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 (enterprise 0.20070907.709405) References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <201010011823.25227.phma@phma.optus.nu> X-Original-Sender: phma@phma.optus.nu X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 75.180.132.122 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) smtp.mail=phma@phma.optus.nu Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline On Friday 01 October 2010 17:53:34 Jorge Llamb=EDas wrote: > On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 5:20 PM, Luke Bergen wrote= : > > I must have gotten mixed up from reading the CLL's algorithm for turnin= g > > a tanru into a lujvo. =A0For those of us not well-versed enough, what a= re > > the main arguments for/against tcebroda vs brodytce? =A0If a lujvo is > > defined and not=A0necessarily=A0built with a rigid rule-set from it's > > component gismu, then tcebroda vs brodytce is ultimately a question of > > preference right? > > We're discussing preferences, yes. My preference is for being as > systematic as possible, so: > > zmadu fi lo ka broda -> rodmau > mleca fi lo ka broda -> rodme'a > traji lo ka broda -> rodrai > mutce lo ka broda -> rodytce > milxe lo ka broda -> rodmli > cenba lo ka broda -> rodycne > zenba lo ka broda -> rodze'a > jdika lo ka broda -> rodjdika > > and probably some more I'm forgetting. > > I'll leave the argument for "tcebroda" to those who prefer it. I don't > find too convincing any appeals to English wording sounding better one > way or the other, or to tanru.. I say "mutce broda", so "tcebroda". > If you prefer "tcebroda" then presumably you should also prefer > "zmabroda" and "rairbroda", or if not why not? If "broda" is intransitive, it doesn't make much difference. However, if it= is=20 transitive, it can make a difference. For instance, mi neizma la bil. lo=20 frambesi (I like raspberries more than Bill does) .i mi zmanei lo frambesi = lo=20 clazme (I like raspberries more than cucumbers). > A similar discrepancy I have with those who prefer prefix sim- to > suffix -si'u for reciprocals. lo girzu cu tavysi'u .iku'i mi simtavla do mu'omi'e .pier. --=20 .i toljundi do .ibabo mi'afra tu'a do .ibabo damba do .ibabo do jinga .icu'u la ma'atman. --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.