From lojban+bncCIycn8S8DhCOibjlBBoEq1EL0g@googlegroups.com Thu Oct 07 10:34:23 2010 Received: from mail-vw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.212.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1P3uMF-0003fM-Ru; Thu, 07 Oct 2010 10:34:23 -0700 Received: by vws6 with SMTP id 6sf23452vws.16 for ; Thu, 07 Oct 2010 10:34:13 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=A041jCdIm8ROzDAWb4HxoBO94p3j3ssIQ/uTGODAtw0=; b=WtyIolIthyIkrywOKihWem5YzG/U/cArIt5XHQnF48VwM5tU1Kl9O+bfUc/opnyfYo Wwntv/xLcvIusJPOSw4OjdXGtgcnWjkQlX5wxTGJSpkZiX9sQLYlEESGrEr82CIeOCF8 jW8ERCIQwr8/vNR+zvOuNribRA+JgNsBWBeqg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=O3xZM/jglnIvFUnbp1KpHJiGleX+375g5yRRGUqwIqICYcwEnvWIdJkxFZfI2kjHeS /Gi2V6bYOxQHIpw5fVFaPmK16iRJl8ZsCWEN0h980Vt7LeZnGnhUjIw5Y3N4ccoitTX9 axzx2KGkO63/5aIfCW1G6mcUViNymo/9GByjc= Received: by 10.220.194.9 with SMTP id dw9mr32430vcb.10.1286472846947; Thu, 07 Oct 2010 10:34:06 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.220.183.198 with SMTP id ch6ls60711vcb.2.p; Thu, 07 Oct 2010 10:34:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.192.129 with SMTP id dq1mr308181vcb.2.1286472846236; Thu, 07 Oct 2010 10:34:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.192.129 with SMTP id dq1mr308180vcb.2.1286472846196; Thu, 07 Oct 2010 10:34:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qy0-f176.google.com (mail-qy0-f176.google.com [209.85.216.176]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id b7si524698vcx.7.2010.10.07.10.34.05; Thu, 07 Oct 2010 10:34:05 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 209.85.216.176 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.216.176; Received: by mail-qy0-f176.google.com with SMTP id 4so123258qyk.0 for ; Thu, 07 Oct 2010 10:34:05 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.224.210.5 with SMTP id gi5mr545189qab.15.1286472844959; Thu, 07 Oct 2010 10:34:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.85.3 with HTTP; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 10:34:04 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <201010071224.31384.phma@phma.optus.nu> Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2010 13:34:04 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] cmavo and the gismu like them From: Michael Turniansky To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: mturniansky@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 209.85.216.176 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=mturniansky@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf300fad49efe10b04920a4c5c --20cf300fad49efe10b04920a4c5c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 2010/10/7 Jorge Llamb=EDas > On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 1:41 PM, Michael Turniansky > wrote: > > po/po'e and even po'o are all from ponse. > > What's the connection between "po'o" and "ponse"? > (perhaps "derived" was too strong a word. I more properly should have said a mnemonic link could be made between them. In the case of ponse -> po'o while this more properly should have come from srana, perhaps, think o= f it as "this bridi 'belongs' to only this case" (la djan po'o lebna le jdini -> Only John took the money -> "taking of the money" belongs to "John" because no one else has that property of money-taking) > > "pe'i" is from "pensi", even though it only makes sense through malglico. > Right.. It SHOULD have come from jinvi > > mu'o (from mulno) mi'e (from "mi" not from a gismu!) xorxes > --gejyspa --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den. --20cf300fad49efe10b04920a4c5c Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

2010/10/7 Jorge Llamb=EDas <= ;jjllambias@gmail.com>
On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 1:41 PM, Michael Turniansky
<= ;mturniansky@gmail.com> wro= te:
> po/po'e and even po'o are all from ponse.

What's the connection between "po'o" and "ponse"= ;?
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=A0 (perhaps "derived" was too strong a word.=A0 I more prop= erly should have said a mnemonic link could be made between them.=A0 In the= case of ponse -> po'o while this more properly should have come fro= m srana, perhaps, think of it as "this bridi 'belongs' to only= this case" (la djan po'o lebna le jdini -> Only John took the = money -> "taking of the money" belongs to "John" bec= ause no one else has that property of money-taking)

"pe'i" is from= "pensi", even though it only makes sense through malglico.
=A0
=A0 Right.. It SHOULD have come from jinvi

mu'o (from mulno) mi'= ;e (from "mi" not from a gismu!) xorxes
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=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 --gejyspa

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