From lojban+bncCOjSjrXVGBDnl7jlBBoEgKJwow@googlegroups.com Thu Oct 07 11:05:43 2010 Received: from mail-gy0-f189.google.com ([209.85.160.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1P3uqZ-0007Ze-Tk; Thu, 07 Oct 2010 11:05:43 -0700 Received: by gya1 with SMTP id 1sf88262gya.16 for ; Thu, 07 Oct 2010 11:05:34 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=nmtzVpSrp/fZPcwY00XKemD1jAZHnwk6Bs3Zp84Sp6M=; b=dpqNaFi007BREAdrwTr2BgwbB7OVj4Xop/YO1cBtyMcOn76Tl5wL693L6bcvIZr6bq JKYMJ8QKDVRNYKyTgNfRugd5mLisW+KUUonzReQc5PM9fx0ncacXhjKcA1iQpBsbGyel oO/iNshRSOi2H4BrLVGULpp9h2WaYqGADEh4g= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=Ly6naD3I/PH8Pj7E81pB34JnXJG/5pPWd3YDYc6SsHT2QYjd5zw8C/f8mHXL8Nbqlf p88xom0KNzQQVramL+Km0pF+us6b0wBJ+xRmTRk3Ql53g/z7kDOi1uxSCI73jhhhH6kn Pr2kt25iVZz79ss5E3iErownxqB2tyjDOJrII= Received: by 10.91.108.5 with SMTP id k5mr124517agm.47.1286474727744; Thu, 07 Oct 2010 11:05:27 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.231.55.74 with SMTP id t10ls184555ibg.3.p; Thu, 07 Oct 2010 11:05:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.161.69 with SMTP id q5mr329453ibx.8.1286474726359; Thu, 07 Oct 2010 11:05:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.161.69 with SMTP id q5mr329452ibx.8.1286474726280; Thu, 07 Oct 2010 11:05:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-iw0-f181.google.com (mail-iw0-f181.google.com [209.85.214.181]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id cm31si1527029ibb.7.2010.10.07.11.05.25; Thu, 07 Oct 2010 11:05:25 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of lukeabergen@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.181 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.214.181; Received: by mail-iw0-f181.google.com with SMTP id 39so149511iwn.40 for ; Thu, 07 Oct 2010 11:05:25 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.33.129 with SMTP id h1mr1166684ibd.140.1286474720173; Thu, 07 Oct 2010 11:05:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.48.79 with HTTP; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 11:05:20 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <20101007173227.GB27477@alice.local> Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2010 14:05:20 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] la lojbo kurji From: Luke Bergen To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: lukeabergen@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of lukeabergen@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.181 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=lukeabergen@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000325574a52b5661804920abcd0 --000325574a52b5661804920abcd0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Can the objects of COI be {.e}'ed together like that? 2010/10/7 Jorge Llamb=EDas > On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 2:32 PM, .alyn.post. > wrote: > > I've written an oath for myself regarding Lojban. This stretched my > > fluency a bit, so I'd like some feedback on how I might make it > > better. > > > > ni'o mi me la lojbo kurji > > .i mi ca nupre lo za'i go'o kei mi .e la lojbo kurji > > For an oath "nu'e" is better than "mi ca nupre". You are not reporting > that someone (in this case yourself) is making a promise. You are > actually making the promise. > So "nu'e mi .e la lojbo kurji do'u go'o". > > > .i mi ba tavla fo la lobjan. de'i lo ro djedi > > "lo ro djedi" is not a date, you want "ca" not "de'i". > > And "ca ro (lo) djedi", unless you are content to do it at some single > point in time valid for all days. > > > .i mi ba jmina lo cnino nupre lo vi nupre > > "Add a new oath-taker to this here oath-taker"? > > If you mean "a new commitment to this commitment" then its "lo cnino > se nupre lo dei se nupre", but maybe you are promising to add adepts, > I don't know. > > > .i ganai mi tavla fi no da de'i lo cabdei gi mi tavla fi lo vi nupre > > "ca lo cabdei" > > So, either you talk about something, or you talk about yourself? > > mu'o mi'e xorxes > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. > > --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den. --000325574a52b5661804920abcd0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Can the objects of COI be {.e}'ed together like that?

2010/10/7 Jorge Llamb=EDas <jjllambias@gmail.com>
On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 2:32 PM, .alyn.post.
<alyn.post@lodockikuma= zvati.org> wrote:
> I've written an oath for myself regarding Lojban. =A0This stretche= d my
> fluency a bit, so I'd like some feedback on how I might make it > better.
>
> =A0ni'o mi me la lojbo kurji
> =A0.i mi ca nupre lo za'i go'o kei mi .e la lojbo kurji

For an oath "nu'e" is better than "mi ca nupre&quo= t;. You are not reporting
that someone (in this case yourself) is making a promise. You are
actually making the promise.
So "nu'e mi .e la lojbo kurji do'u go'o".

> =A0.i mi ba tavla fo la lobjan. de'i lo ro djedi

"lo ro djedi" is not a date, you want "ca" not &q= uot;de'i".

And "ca ro (lo) djedi", unless you are content to do it at some s= ingle
point in time valid for all days.

> =A0.i mi ba jmina lo cnino nupre lo vi nupre

"Add a new oath-taker to this here oath-taker"?

If you mean "a new commitment to this commitment" then its "= lo cnino
se nupre lo dei se nupre", but maybe you are promising to add adepts,<= br> I don't know.

> =A0.i ganai mi tavla fi no da de'i lo cabdei gi mi tavla fi lo vi = nupre

"ca lo cabdei"

So, either you talk about something, or you talk about yourself?

mu'o mi'e xorxes

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