From lojban+bncCOjSjrXVGBDvm7jlBBoEJG3kww@googlegroups.com Thu Oct 07 11:14:27 2010 Received: from mail-gy0-f189.google.com ([209.85.160.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1P3uz2-0007s7-Mi; Thu, 07 Oct 2010 11:14:27 -0700 Received: by gya1 with SMTP id 1sf95391gya.16 for ; Thu, 07 Oct 2010 11:14:19 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=mQE1ZA6nXI5ozaBZLcqllUON1OB+bLgvwZ+BjXtfcfI=; b=z5XVJ91SzmYMJbr44Er5axBREiGCycJ2QrQVUZEc/EVIVK2qLyGP3VKUH7Nvl3Swll OLzGIfTdl59MyQdXgxJ7LiWyO+wWt4FXoqhn8w7MUBt7cDU8CCUvPznnN0E690zk72fF u5QeDEarJ3ivcqnOvZkLwtCNlaEEizE5lkBv8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=CVxK90ZoFdPjWCxxudvG7T0QAmLdj8jqXqf0FzvyNPQsJtACsamMM5dSCQCNGN63A1 +xe5xxM1rlEWd+sMhYk8PMqdXlmswP7RaM7cQAvL2tsrlvfoBRLaAtpHXaABXBMnwWXK L8j8aaH8+7P92OOGtFMIe1cVA1oJEzmMspanY= Received: by 10.91.161.20 with SMTP id n20mr126104ago.4.1286475247948; Thu, 07 Oct 2010 11:14:07 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.231.55.74 with SMTP id t10ls187813ibg.3.p; Thu, 07 Oct 2010 11:14:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.156.194 with SMTP id y2mr352265ibw.19.1286475247322; Thu, 07 Oct 2010 11:14:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.156.194 with SMTP id y2mr352263ibw.19.1286475247287; Thu, 07 Oct 2010 11:14:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-iw0-f169.google.com (mail-iw0-f169.google.com [209.85.214.169]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id b32si1153521ibq.1.2010.10.07.11.14.06; Thu, 07 Oct 2010 11:14:06 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of lukeabergen@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.169 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.214.169; Received: by mail-iw0-f169.google.com with SMTP id 2so151182iwn.28 for ; Thu, 07 Oct 2010 11:14:06 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.11.193 with SMTP id u1mr1203325ibu.113.1286475246075; Thu, 07 Oct 2010 11:14:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.48.79 with HTTP; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 11:14:05 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <201010071224.31384.phma@phma.optus.nu> Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2010 14:14:05 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] cmavo and the gismu like them From: Luke Bergen To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: lukeabergen@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of lukeabergen@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.169 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=lukeabergen@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0022152d64d10e044304920adc7f --0022152d64d10e044304920adc7f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Just thought of a couple of other obvious ones. re'i -> bredi. be'e -> benji? I think I've found a new project for myself. If I had known just how many cmavo are (at least somewhat) based on a gismu I'd have just gone through the list of cmavo trying to pick out what gismu they go with best myself. On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 1:36 PM, Luke Bergen wrote: > I see what you're driving at. Ok, {po'o} is added to the list for {ponse= } > > > On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 1:34 PM, Michael Turniansky wrote: > >> >> >> 2010/10/7 Jorge Llamb=EDas >> >>> On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 1:41 PM, Michael Turniansky >>> >>> wrote: >>> > po/po'e and even po'o are all from ponse. >>> >>> What's the connection between "po'o" and "ponse"? >>> >> >> (perhaps "derived" was too strong a word. I more properly should have >> said a mnemonic link could be made between them. In the case of ponse -= > >> po'o while this more properly should have come from srana, perhaps, thin= k of >> it as "this bridi 'belongs' to only this case" (la djan po'o lebna le jd= ini >> -> Only John took the money -> "taking of the money" belongs to "John" >> because no one else has that property of money-taking) >> >>> >>> "pe'i" is from "pensi", even though it only makes sense through malglic= o. >>> >> >> Right.. It SHOULD have come from jinvi >> >>> >>> mu'o (from mulno) mi'e (from "mi" not from a gismu!) xorxes >>> >> >> --gejyspa >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Group= s >> "lojban" group. >> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com >> . >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. >> > > --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den. --0022152d64d10e044304920adc7f Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Just thought of a couple of other obvious ones. =A0re'i -> bredi. = =A0be'e -> benji?

I think I've found a new pr= oject for myself. =A0If I had known just how many cmavo are (at least somew= hat) based on a gismu I'd have just gone through the list of cmavo tryi= ng to pick out what gismu they go with best myself.

On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 1:36 PM, Luke Bergen = <lukeabergen@= gmail.com> wrote:
I see what you're driving at. =A0Ok, {po'o} is added to the list fo= r {ponse}


On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 1:34 PM, Michael Turniansky <= ;mturniansky@gma= il.com> wrote:


2010/10/7 Jorge Llamb=EDas <jjllambias@= gmail.com>
On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 1:41 PM, Michael Turniansky
=A0
=A0 (perhaps "derived" was too strong a word.=A0 I more prop= erly should have said a mnemonic link could be made between them.=A0 In the= case of ponse -> po'o while this more properly should have come fro= m srana, perhaps, think of it as "this bridi 'belongs' to only= this case" (la djan po'o lebna le jdini -> Only John took the = money -> "taking of the money" belongs to "John" bec= ause no one else has that property of money-taking)

"pe'i" is from &quo= t;pensi", even though it only makes sense through malglico.
=A0
=A0 Right.. It SHOULD have come from jinvi

mu'o (from mulno) mi'e (f= rom "mi" not from a gismu!) xorxes
=A0
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 --gejyspa


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