From lojban+bncCIycn8S8DhDOrbjlBBoE4Xd8aA@googlegroups.com Thu Oct 07 11:52:13 2010 Received: from mail-vw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.212.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1P3vZa-0001cE-Hz; Thu, 07 Oct 2010 11:52:13 -0700 Received: by vws6 with SMTP id 6sf37599vws.16 for ; Thu, 07 Oct 2010 11:52:04 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=ZCT5QKaoUP8ozCOMk0n55rb9KJeyG2aEJ+p1JvPVpVo=; b=R+pos4p4vDKvLiIGQXQr9ya9+Mbnn/+pXw4+msBtkYV8LrGLJero6Ay7nBJB3FfItr yvy7XqRQ4PwEXIZadSil7nSQINV6ltTjdEQZioE1ATxs+gDisMbDiggorL+IYhTmV6pH gxaxqrwugt20YsVzcdSUtzykVpZ56zoXkfPXE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=USTCjiu6KWPxBW+UsvSHb3Z9FF3Vwskn7I1ljnqOQDqoYed7oTBYsD71kSnsD0Qfk9 5kvrR9XCcrtQf1HYaRMryVpmJGmjYe7sFXyNELLYNnMso4LD+PTzQ8aFcaa9dxQ1dSmb 0LIl41WJU3+sedlkykoUS2m7lpY2FCmgTsH1Y= Received: by 10.220.193.9 with SMTP id ds9mr37389vcb.5.1286477518096; Thu, 07 Oct 2010 11:51:58 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.220.52.1 with SMTP id f1ls69598vcg.0.p; Thu, 07 Oct 2010 11:51:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.177.205 with SMTP id bj13mr315819vcb.23.1286477517302; Thu, 07 Oct 2010 11:51:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.177.205 with SMTP id bj13mr315818vcb.23.1286477517268; Thu, 07 Oct 2010 11:51:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qy0-f172.google.com (mail-qy0-f172.google.com [209.85.216.172]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id m16si531896vcr.10.2010.10.07.11.51.56; Thu, 07 Oct 2010 11:51:56 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 209.85.216.172 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.216.172; Received: by qyk2 with SMTP id 2so157167qyk.17 for ; Thu, 07 Oct 2010 11:51:55 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.224.53.156 with SMTP id m28mr595584qag.195.1286477450396; Thu, 07 Oct 2010 11:50:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.85.3 with HTTP; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 11:50:50 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <201010071224.31384.phma@phma.optus.nu> Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2010 14:50:50 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] cmavo and the gismu like them From: Michael Turniansky To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: mturniansky@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 209.85.216.172 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=mturniansky@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00c09f971f0a71474404920b5f48 --00c09f971f0a71474404920b5f48 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Good luck. I estimate there are 800+ of them that are related. --gy On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 2:14 PM, Luke Bergen wrote: > Just thought of a couple of other obvious ones. re'i -> bredi. be'e -> > benji? > > I think I've found a new project for myself. If I had known just how man= y > cmavo are (at least somewhat) based on a gismu I'd have just gone through > the list of cmavo trying to pick out what gismu they go with best myself. > > > On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 1:36 PM, Luke Bergen wrote= : > >> I see what you're driving at. Ok, {po'o} is added to the list for {pons= e} >> >> >> >> On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 1:34 PM, Michael Turniansky > > wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> 2010/10/7 Jorge Llamb=EDas >>> >>>> On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 1:41 PM, Michael Turniansky >>>> >>>> wrote: >>>> > po/po'e and even po'o are all from ponse. >>>> >>>> What's the connection between "po'o" and "ponse"? >>>> >>> >>> (perhaps "derived" was too strong a word. I more properly should hav= e >>> said a mnemonic link could be made between them. In the case of ponse = -> >>> po'o while this more properly should have come from srana, perhaps, thi= nk of >>> it as "this bridi 'belongs' to only this case" (la djan po'o lebna le j= dini >>> -> Only John took the money -> "taking of the money" belongs to "John" >>> because no one else has that property of money-taking) >>> >>>> >>>> "pe'i" is from "pensi", even though it only makes sense through >>>> malglico. >>>> >>> >>> Right.. It SHOULD have come from jinvi >>> >>>> >>>> mu'o (from mulno) mi'e (from "mi" not from a gismu!) xorxes >>>> >>> >>> --gejyspa >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Grou= ps >>> "lojban" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com >>> . >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. >>> >> >> > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. > --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den. --00c09f971f0a71474404920b5f48 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
=A0 Good luck.=A0 I estimate there are 800+ of them that are related.<= /div>
=A0 --gy

On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 2:14 PM, Luke Bergen <lukeabergen@gmai= l.com> wrote:
Just thought of a couple of othe= r obvious ones. =A0re'i -> bredi. =A0be'e -> benji?=20

I think I've found a new project for myself. =A0If I had known jus= t how many cmavo are (at least somewhat) based on a gismu I'd have just= gone through the list of cmavo trying to pick out what gismu they go with = best myself.=20


On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 1:36 PM, Luke Bergen <lukeabergen@gmail.com> wrote:
I see what you're driving at= . =A0Ok, {po'o} is added to the list for {ponse}=20


On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 1:34 PM, Michael Turnians= ky <mturniansky@gmail.com> wrote:


2010/10/7 Jorge Llamb=EDas <jjllambias@gmail.com>
On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 1:41 PM, Michael Turniansky=20

<mtu= rniansky@gmail.com> wrote:
> po/po'e and even po'o are= all from ponse.

What's the connection between "po'o" and "ponse= "?
=A0
=A0 (perhaps "derived" was too strong a word.=A0 I more prop= erly should have said a mnemonic link could be made between them.=A0 In the= case of ponse -> po'o while this more properly should have come fro= m srana, perhaps, think of it as "this bridi 'belongs' to only= this case" (la djan po'o lebna le jdini -> Only John took the = money -> "taking of the money" belongs to "John" bec= ause no one else has that property of money-taking)

"pe'i" is from= "pensi", even though it only makes sense through malglico.
=A0
=A0 Right.. It SHOULD have come from jinvi

mu'o (from mulno) mi'= ;e (from "mi" not from a gismu!) xorxes
=A0
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 --gejyspa

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