From lojban+bncCMHEmaCOBhC_ubjlBBoE3bddkw@googlegroups.com Thu Oct 07 12:17:43 2010 Received: from mail-gx0-f189.google.com ([209.85.161.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1P3vyG-0003Fr-AF; Thu, 07 Oct 2010 12:17:43 -0700 Received: by gxk9 with SMTP id 9sf137188gxk.16 for ; Thu, 07 Oct 2010 12:17:26 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=RDYTJSYVrVSH+cRcv+738XN4qX4rl9VYv0x/zEw3++M=; b=UXIG/pOEkP9B/18M7BOXzrK4Lymoa/9EACsafHhvW2DSgkh5myZs4v4WlAp54eDrPj 4n7cnxG5eUj6wBLG2d6Fyegy6Y54W9KpgR1voVNIzQx7Qc/H55wKb0lIiC89MK/Mq7bK kYE+1CkWTgqFNNihZ29D5xM5+W1VBsoiHuSLA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=vWtohOVAZBQwnegtbWVskptnjA9W6EZmwKm3yrcVDZr0eDSobERNIufnDIVjyaR1zU 30r1WE6emHbC7tHO7KS+M20LciW321vzQ5f6KzhKm2JxQPT5UgUxqbfumaL8Qnr+5owi H+u+FZ4Kr0HK7y6I4zsQCecCeGTTYc3HuM96Q= Received: by 10.90.18.6 with SMTP id 6mr140075agr.8.1286479039977; Thu, 07 Oct 2010 12:17:19 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.231.123.203 with SMTP id q11ls213132ibr.2.p; Thu, 07 Oct 2010 12:17:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.160.79 with SMTP id m15mr365685ibx.6.1286479039175; Thu, 07 Oct 2010 12:17:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.160.79 with SMTP id m15mr365684ibx.6.1286479039132; Thu, 07 Oct 2010 12:17:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-iw0-f171.google.com (mail-iw0-f171.google.com [209.85.214.171]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id bm7si1435408ibb.6.2010.10.07.12.17.18; Thu, 07 Oct 2010 12:17:18 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.171 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.214.171; Received: by mail-iw0-f171.google.com with SMTP id 34so272308iwn.16 for ; Thu, 07 Oct 2010 12:17:18 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.161.73 with SMTP id q9mr1344649ibx.70.1286479037517; Thu, 07 Oct 2010 12:17:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.206.16 with HTTP; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 12:17:17 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <20101007173227.GB27477@alice.local> Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2010 13:17:17 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] la lojbo kurji From: Jonathan Jones To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: eyeonus@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.171 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=eyeonus@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001636e903100acf9c04920bbee7 --001636e903100acf9c04920bbee7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 2010/10/7 Jorge Llamb=EDas > On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 2:32 PM, .alyn.post. > wrote: > > I've written an oath for myself regarding Lojban. This stretched my > > fluency a bit, so I'd like some feedback on how I might make it > > better. > > > > ni'o mi me la lojbo kurji > > .i mi ca nupre lo za'i go'o kei mi .e la lojbo kurji > > For an oath "nu'e" is better than "mi ca nupre". You are not reporting > that someone (in this case yourself) is making a promise. You are > actually making the promise. > So "nu'e mi .e la lojbo kurji do'u go'o". > > > .i mi ba tavla fo la lobjan. de'i lo ro djedi > > "lo ro djedi" is not a date, you want "ca" not "de'i". > > And "ca ro (lo) djedi", unless you are content to do it at some single > point in time valid for all days. > "A side effect of the above is that in xorlo, if you mean "one bear", consider actually saying "pa cribe". It's ever so much more specific. xorxe= s points out that to refer to one bear, "lo pa cribe" is actually a bit better; "pa cribe cu broda" means that exactly one cribe in the whole world brodas, which is often not what you want. We (those of us that have actuall= y been using xorlo for the last few months; there are at least half a dozen active users on #lojban now) have found that context is almost always sufficient, however." > > .i mi ba jmina lo cnino nupre lo vi nupre > > "Add a new oath-taker to this here oath-taker"? > > If you mean "a new commitment to this commitment" then its "lo cnino > se nupre lo dei se nupre", but maybe you are promising to add adepts, > I don't know. > > > .i ganai mi tavla fi no da de'i lo cabdei gi mi tavla fi lo vi nupre > > "ca lo cabdei" > > So, either you talk about something, or you talk about yourself? > > mu'o mi'e xorxes > --=20 mu'o mi'e .aionys. .i.a'o.e'e ko cmima le bende pe lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi luk. mi patfu d= o zo'o (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. 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2010/10/7 Jorge Llamb=EDas <jjllambias@gmail.com&g= t;
On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 2:32 PM, .alyn.post.
<alyn.post@lodockikuma= zvati.org> wrote:
> I've written an oath for myself regarding Lojban. =A0This stretche= d my
> fluency a bit, so I'd like some feedback on how I might make it > better.
>
> =A0ni'o mi me la lojbo kurji
> =A0.i mi ca nupre lo za'i go'o kei mi .e la lojbo kurji

For an oath "nu'e" is better than "mi ca nupre&quo= t;. You are not reporting
that someone (in this case yourself) is making a promise. You are
actually making the promise.
So "nu'e mi .e la lojbo kurji do'u go'o".

> =A0.i mi ba tavla fo la lobjan. de'i lo ro djedi

"lo ro djedi" is not a date, you want "ca" not &q= uot;de'i".

And "ca ro (lo) djedi", unless you are content to do it at some s= ingle
point in time valid for all days.

"A side eff= ect of the above is that in xorlo, if you mean "one bear",=20 consider actually saying "pa cribe". It's ever so much more = specific. =20 xorxes points out that to refer to one bear, "lo pa cribe" is act= ually a bit better; "pa cribe cu broda" means that exactly one cribe in = the=20 whole world brodas, which is often not what you want. We (those of us=20 that have actually been using xorlo for the last few months; there are=20 at least half a dozen active users on #lojban now) have found that=20 context is almost always sufficient, however."
=A0
> =A0.i mi ba jmina lo cnino nupre lo vi nupre

"Add a new oath-taker to this here oath-taker"?

If you mean "a new commitment to this commitment" then its "= lo cnino
se nupre lo dei se nupre", but maybe you are promising to add adepts,<= br> I don't know.

> =A0.i ganai mi tavla fi no da de'i lo cabdei gi mi tavla fi lo vi = nupre

"ca lo cabdei"

So, either you talk about something, or you talk about yourself?

mu'o mi'e xorxes

--
mu'o mi'e .aionys.

.i.a&= #39;o.e'e ko cmima le bende pe lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi luk. mi patf= u do zo'o
(Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )

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