From lojban+bncCOjSjrXVGBCHxrjlBBoE9txMEQ@googlegroups.com Thu Oct 07 12:44:24 2010 Received: from mail-gw0-f61.google.com ([74.125.83.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1P3wO3-0007A5-Gj; Thu, 07 Oct 2010 12:44:23 -0700 Received: by gwb11 with SMTP id 11sf151095gwb.16 for ; Thu, 07 Oct 2010 12:44:13 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=hKNGkmc89gPFJa7TQGTGW/H0oPvdmoKG5iHtpG2DoAU=; b=dNMjaeGeCR5mEij/xdN1QluVnaA+qvpsLRWeRnT3ddT2sD0+p4QC5Erdnmj3xgXzqP knbfDG9NMcGzXMuwwDjSKtrX41GEiDWVJ26QiDwnRU2lJmKwv7DUGmjL3EHkwH3pd+hZ +QYSTi1qqWluoVja2/2r3sMfLcFQW5OwiDryw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=5hDhMb1fjNT8Em1c3ktzbXdDB/fkZMJxgdhYFilyiMNJLdgceVLrQxIPT+sBBChVdl /jReghPgpY+9hhU93G25CIhKK1TUl79N6j+PfpOMOYoKpmz/+YrO2+Fo5Q0iN3mJOQBQ ZtsGRhPjIf+8jrEq5OaCBGrdAwJiToEarXf2Y= Received: by 10.91.160.11 with SMTP id m11mr144839ago.23.1286480647095; Thu, 07 Oct 2010 12:44:07 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.231.180.73 with SMTP id bt9ls155850ibb.0.p; Thu, 07 Oct 2010 12:44:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.183.11 with SMTP id ce11mr396264ibb.5.1286480646459; Thu, 07 Oct 2010 12:44:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.183.11 with SMTP id ce11mr396263ibb.5.1286480646414; Thu, 07 Oct 2010 12:44:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-iw0-f182.google.com (mail-iw0-f182.google.com [209.85.214.182]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id cm31si1583605ibb.7.2010.10.07.12.44.05; Thu, 07 Oct 2010 12:44:05 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of lukeabergen@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.182 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.214.182; Received: by mail-iw0-f182.google.com with SMTP id 8so329642iwn.27 for ; Thu, 07 Oct 2010 12:44:05 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.17.205 with SMTP id t13mr1372727iba.97.1286480645260; Thu, 07 Oct 2010 12:44:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.48.79 with HTTP; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 12:44:05 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <201010071224.31384.phma@phma.optus.nu> Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2010 15:44:05 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] cmavo and the gismu like them From: Luke Bergen To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: lukeabergen@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of lukeabergen@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.182 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=lukeabergen@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000325575a1adf06ff04920c1dd7 --000325575a1adf06ff04920c1dd7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ko gletu pe'a mi sepi'o lo ckabu jipci .oi .uenai .a'icai On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 2:50 PM, Michael Turniansky w= rote: > Good luck. I estimate there are 800+ of them that are related. > --gy > > On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 2:14 PM, Luke Bergen wrote= : > >> Just thought of a couple of other obvious ones. re'i -> bredi. be'e -> >> benji? >> >> I think I've found a new project for myself. If I had known just how ma= ny >> cmavo are (at least somewhat) based on a gismu I'd have just gone throug= h >> the list of cmavo trying to pick out what gismu they go with best myself= . >> >> >> On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 1:36 PM, Luke Bergen wrote= : >> >>> I see what you're driving at. Ok, {po'o} is added to the list for >>> {ponse} >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 1:34 PM, Michael Turniansky < >>> mturniansky@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> 2010/10/7 Jorge Llamb=EDas >>>> >>>>> On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 1:41 PM, Michael Turniansky >>>>> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> > po/po'e and even po'o are all from ponse. >>>>> >>>>> What's the connection between "po'o" and "ponse"? >>>>> >>>> >>>> (perhaps "derived" was too strong a word. I more properly should ha= ve >>>> said a mnemonic link could be made between them. In the case of ponse= -> >>>> po'o while this more properly should have come from srana, perhaps, th= ink of >>>> it as "this bridi 'belongs' to only this case" (la djan po'o lebna le = jdini >>>> -> Only John took the money -> "taking of the money" belongs to "John" >>>> because no one else has that property of money-taking) >>>> >>>>> >>>>> "pe'i" is from "pensi", even though it only makes sense through >>>>> malglico. >>>>> >>>> >>>> Right.. It SHOULD have come from jinvi >>>> >>>>> >>>>> mu'o (from mulno) mi'e (from "mi" not from a gismu!) xorxes >>>>> >>>> >>>> --gejyspa >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "lojban" group. >>>> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com >>>> . >>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. >>>> >>> >>> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Group= s >> "lojban" group. >> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com >> . >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. > --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den. --000325575a1adf06ff04920c1dd7 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ko gletu pe'a mi sepi'o lo ckabu jipci .oi .uenai .a'icai
On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 2:50 PM, Michael Turnia= nsky <mturnia= nsky@gmail.com> wrote:
=A0 Good luck.=A0 I estimate there are= 800+ of them that are related.
=A0 --gy

On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 2:14 PM, Luke Bergen <lukeabergen@gmail.com> wrote:
Just thought of a couple of other obv= ious ones. =A0re'i -> bredi. =A0be'e -> benji?=20

I think I've found a new project for myself. =A0If I had known jus= t how many cmavo are (at least somewhat) based on a gismu I'd have just= gone through the list of cmavo trying to pick out what gismu they go with = best myself.=20


On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 1:36 PM, Luke Bergen <lukeabergen@gmail.com> wrote:
I see what you're driving at. =A0= Ok, {po'o} is added to the list for {ponse}=20


On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 1:34 PM, Michael Turnians= ky <mturniansky@gmail.com> wrote:


2010/10/7 Jorge Llamb=EDas <jjllambias@gmail.com>
On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 1:41 PM, Michael Turniansky=20

<mtu= rniansky@gmail.com> wrote:
> po/po'e and even po'o are= all from ponse.

What's the connection between "po'o" and "ponse= "?
=A0
=A0 (perhaps "derived" was too strong a word.=A0 I more prop= erly should have said a mnemonic link could be made between them.=A0 In the= case of ponse -> po'o while this more properly should have come fro= m srana, perhaps, think of it as "this bridi 'belongs' to only= this case" (la djan po'o lebna le jdini -> Only John took the = money -> "taking of the money" belongs to "John" bec= ause no one else has that property of money-taking)

"pe'i" is from &quo= t;pensi", even though it only makes sense through malglico.
=A0
=A0 Right.. It SHOULD have come from jinvi

mu'o (from mulno) mi'e (f= rom "mi" not from a gismu!) xorxes
=A0
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 --gejyspa

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