From lojban+bncCMHEmaCOBhC8yLjlBBoEO1dBcQ@googlegroups.com Thu Oct 07 12:49:33 2010 Received: from mail-gy0-f189.google.com ([209.85.160.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1P3wT3-0007Ka-HR; Thu, 07 Oct 2010 12:49:33 -0700 Received: by gya1 with SMTP id 1sf156267gya.16 for ; Thu, 07 Oct 2010 12:49:23 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=2QxSN6IhBTywdmPqYOKLNMjTFsgioKwDiQlTKP0LMF0=; b=KUV1XAx0eLUzdQEGvRFZA9W8Z1vXiVsjvF6u3oc7wCwYyraH8aAMnk5flzu+O6pqp/ DNqRSXPLf3mtoOm7QGyBCXN8H5ixc0UtJ221MWtQ9MPwv/PVybuY7ZwOSVXIKRfhV36C +7+0MYuRWKROFq7d4Dtfve5vpAQEi5XqlB3CM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=UzCqwwhq2TQN2JfvRzSN5doVnvycDUIdHouGxXyery6gzlCzMT2DyU+8ApuYJ4kgEU TMr+hzljB69XnDMd7c59IIuHlUwlv2AptkUg6p5FOmOtwLxHZjgYXpsfRMzqbIZIN2la yw6Ov+X/YYRXFzN/ASz6MKorX7sQ9a9SbChRY= Received: by 10.91.9.1 with SMTP id m1mr143430agi.18.1286480956207; Thu, 07 Oct 2010 12:49:16 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.231.180.73 with SMTP id bt9ls158576ibb.0.p; Thu, 07 Oct 2010 12:49:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.170.213 with SMTP id e21mr343212ibz.9.1286480955447; Thu, 07 Oct 2010 12:49:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.170.213 with SMTP id e21mr343211ibz.9.1286480955405; Thu, 07 Oct 2010 12:49:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-iw0-f172.google.com (mail-iw0-f172.google.com [209.85.214.172]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id b32si1208897ibq.1.2010.10.07.12.49.14; Thu, 07 Oct 2010 12:49:14 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.172 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.214.172; Received: by iwn10 with SMTP id 10so327642iwn.17 for ; Thu, 07 Oct 2010 12:49:14 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.33.76 with SMTP id g12mr1344507ibd.174.1286480954160; Thu, 07 Oct 2010 12:49:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.206.16 with HTTP; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 12:49:14 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <201010071224.31384.phma@phma.optus.nu> Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2010 13:49:14 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] cmavo and the gismu like them From: Jonathan Jones To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: eyeonus@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.172 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=eyeonus@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0003255753524876ae04920c30a4 --0003255753524876ae04920c30a4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 1:44 PM, Luke Bergen wrote: > ko gletu pe'a mi sepi'o lo ckabu jipci .oi .uenai .a'icai .i mi nelrai sepi'o lo mlaselfa'a ckabu lupcartci zo'o > On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 2:50 PM, Michael Turniansky wrote: > >> Good luck. I estimate there are 800+ of them that are related. >> --gy >> >> On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 2:14 PM, Luke Bergen wrote= : >> >>> Just thought of a couple of other obvious ones. re'i -> bredi. be'e -= > >>> benji? >>> >>> I think I've found a new project for myself. If I had known just how >>> many cmavo are (at least somewhat) based on a gismu I'd have just gone >>> through the list of cmavo trying to pick out what gismu they go with be= st >>> myself. >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 1:36 PM, Luke Bergen wrot= e: >>> >>>> I see what you're driving at. Ok, {po'o} is added to the list for >>>> {ponse} >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 1:34 PM, Michael Turniansky < >>>> mturniansky@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> 2010/10/7 Jorge Llamb=EDas >>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 1:41 PM, Michael Turniansky >>>>>> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> > po/po'e and even po'o are all from ponse. >>>>>> >>>>>> What's the connection between "po'o" and "ponse"? >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> (perhaps "derived" was too strong a word. I more properly should >>>>> have said a mnemonic link could be made between them. In the case of= ponse >>>>> -> po'o while this more properly should have come from srana, perhaps= , think >>>>> of it as "this bridi 'belongs' to only this case" (la djan po'o lebna= le >>>>> jdini -> Only John took the money -> "taking of the money" belongs to= "John" >>>>> because no one else has that property of money-taking) >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> "pe'i" is from "pensi", even though it only makes sense through >>>>>> malglico. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Right.. It SHOULD have come from jinvi >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> mu'o (from mulno) mi'e (from "mi" not from a gismu!) xorxes >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> --gejyspa >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups "lojban" group. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>> lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com >>>>> . >>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Grou= ps >>> "lojban" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com >>> . >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Group= s >> "lojban" group. >> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com >> . >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. > --=20 mu'o mi'e .aionys. .i.a'o.e'e ko cmima le bende pe lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi luk. mi patfu d= o zo'o (Come to the Dot Side! 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On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 1:44 PM, Luke Bergen <lukeabergen@gmai= l.com> wrote:
ko gletu pe'a mi sepi'o lo ckabu jipci .oi .uenai .a'icai

.i mi nelrai sepi'o lo mlaselfa'a ckabu lupcartci z= o'o
=A0
On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 2:= 50 PM, Michael Turniansky <mturniansky@gmail.com> wrote:=
=A0 Good luc= k.=A0 I estimate there are 800+ of them that are related.
=A0 --gy

On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 2:14 PM, Luke Bergen <lukeabergen@gmail.com> wrote:
Just thought of a= couple of other obvious ones. =A0re'i -> bredi. =A0be'e -> b= enji?=20

I think I've found a new project for myself. =A0If I had known jus= t how many cmavo are (at least somewhat) based on a gismu I'd have just= gone through the list of cmavo trying to pick out what gismu they go with = best myself.=20


On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 1:36 PM, Luke Bergen <lukeabergen@gmail.com> wrote:
I see what you= 9;re driving at. =A0Ok, {po'o} is added to the list for {ponse}=20


On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 1:34 PM, Michael Turnians= ky <mturniansky@gmail.com> wrote:


2010/10/7 Jorge Llamb=EDas <jjllambias@gmail.com>
On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 1:41 PM, Michael Turniansky=20

<mtu= rniansky@gmail.com> wrote:
> po/po'e and even po'o are= all from ponse.

What's the connection between "po'o" and "ponse= "?
=A0
=A0 (perhaps "derived" was too strong a word.=A0 I more prop= erly should have said a mnemonic link could be made between them.=A0 In the= case of ponse -> po'o while this more properly should have come fro= m srana, perhaps, think of it as "this bridi 'belongs' to only= this case" (la djan po'o lebna le jdini -> Only John took the = money -> "taking of the money" belongs to "John" bec= ause no one else has that property of money-taking)

"pe'= i" is from "pensi", even though it only makes sense through = malglico.
=A0
=A0 Right.. It SHOULD have come from jinvi

mu'o (fro= m mulno) mi'e (from "mi" not from a gismu!) xorxes
=A0
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 --gejyspa

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