From lojban+bncCMHEmaCOBhCDzLjlBBoEm1LFng@googlegroups.com Thu Oct 07 12:57:08 2010 Received: from mail-yw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.213.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1P3waP-0007aU-00; Thu, 07 Oct 2010 12:57:08 -0700 Received: by ywo7 with SMTP id 7sf77799ywo.16 for ; Thu, 07 Oct 2010 12:56:59 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=QDJONVdyxohe9h2Pcs4XkeFeZdNaImI6q+9MMYUzTgc=; b=RkKsElgnt9RYtVtjBGreN6LPBiysVlUzQpcb+1n0fPln5mZaWTJ3AzRMWw4sv9W4kq WCKOWyo8OI2Zrr+sntandXuWQFJaADop1Le5oL4knygSFF7IGGCAeYimUKeEMiDNXqS7 0srDvg3ZhukUL5j/ew+7C4q9dEqydPBGOa9w0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=pnFJ1VwZBdMCFQxFZt1YuTLKBMnfPaZNFPifB+bxjM7yeIKK8m5W7+ab6Qgdm/R74v dCLnhr56fGYZMId3WA9le8CQ2N6Hb4pOVVD7IXP6wMiE8vv/jtYArxiAQrcYhs3RHkoL thGKpWcgdDOU64bgvsFnWjRLzpncqIvoaOU00= Received: by 10.150.72.5 with SMTP id u5mr136839yba.79.1286481411692; Thu, 07 Oct 2010 12:56:51 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.231.123.203 with SMTP id q11ls231565ibr.2.p; Thu, 07 Oct 2010 12:56:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.161.78 with SMTP id q14mr342665ibx.10.1286481410891; Thu, 07 Oct 2010 12:56:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.161.78 with SMTP id q14mr342664ibx.10.1286481410838; Thu, 07 Oct 2010 12:56:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-iw0-f171.google.com (mail-iw0-f171.google.com [209.85.214.171]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id e4si1593498ibc.4.2010.10.07.12.56.49; Thu, 07 Oct 2010 12:56:49 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.171 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.214.171; Received: by iwn34 with SMTP id 34so253995iwn.30 for ; Thu, 07 Oct 2010 12:56:49 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.30.72 with SMTP id t8mr1335867ibc.46.1286481408148; Thu, 07 Oct 2010 12:56:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.206.16 with HTTP; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 12:56:48 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <20101007173227.GB27477@alice.local> Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2010 13:56:48 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] la lojbo kurji From: Jonathan Jones To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: eyeonus@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.171 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=eyeonus@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0022152d7fa55819cd04920c4ba3 --0022152d7fa55819cd04920c4ba3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 2010/10/7 Jorge Llamb=EDas > On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 4:40 PM, Jonathan Jones wrote: > > 2010/10/7 Jorge Llamb=EDas > >> > >> On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 4:17 PM, Jonathan Jones > wrote: > >> > 2010/10/7 Jorge Llamb=EDas > >> >> On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 2:32 PM, .alyn.post. > >> >> wrote: > >> >> > >> >> > .i mi ba tavla fo la lobjan. de'i lo ro djedi > >> >> > >> >> "lo ro djedi" is not a date, you want "ca" not "de'i". > >> >> > >> >> And "ca ro (lo) djedi", unless you are content to do it at some > single > >> >> point in time valid for all days. > >> > > >> > "A side effect of the above is that in xorlo, if you mean "one bear"= , > >> > consider actually saying "pa cribe". It's ever so much more specific= . > >> > xorxes > >> > points out that to refer to one bear, "lo pa cribe" is actually a bi= t > >> > better; "pa cribe cu broda" means that exactly one cribe in the whol= e > >> > world > >> > brodas, which is often not what you want. We (those of us that have > >> > actually > >> > been using xorlo for the last few months; there are at least half a > >> > dozen > >> > active users on #lojban now) have found that context is almost alway= s > >> > sufficient, however." > >> > >> Is that supposed to be related to what I was saying? I'm not sure if > >> you are quoting that as support or as disagreement. > >> > >> mu'o mi'e xorxes > > > > I was pointing out that you seemed to be disagreeing with yourself. > > No, I don't think so. > > Your quote was not from me anyway, and I'm not sure I follow it all, > but what I was saying is that if he wants to commit to doing something > every day he should say "ca ro (lo) djedi", not "ca lo ro djedi", > which is hardly a very strong commitment. > > mu'o mi'e xorxes > Okay, maybe you should explain to me, in your own words, the difference between {ro broda}, {ro lo broda}, and {lo ro broda}, becuase it seems to m= e I'm misunderstanding. --=20 mu'o mi'e .aionys. .i.a'o.e'e ko cmima le bende pe lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi luk. mi patfu d= o zo'o (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. 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2010/10/7 Jorge Llamb=EDas <jjllambias@gmail.com&g= t;
On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 4:40 PM, Jonathan = Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wr= ote:
> 2010/10/7 Jorge Llamb=EDas <jjllambias@gmail.com>
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 4:17 PM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > 2010/10/7 Jorge Llamb=EDas <jjllambias@gmail.com>
>> >> On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 2:32 PM, .alyn.post.
>> >> <aly= n.post@lodockikumazvati.org> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > =A0.i mi ba tavla fo la lobjan. de'i lo ro djedi=
>> >>
>> >> "lo ro djedi" is not a date, you want "ca&= quot; not "de'i".
>> >>
>> >> And "ca ro (lo) djedi", unless you are content = to do it at some single
>> >> point in time valid for all days.
>> >
>> > "A side effect of the above is that in xorlo, if you mea= n "one bear",
>> > consider actually saying "pa cribe". It's ever = so much more specific.
>> > xorxes
>> > points out that to refer to one bear, "lo pa cribe"= is actually a bit
>> > better; "pa cribe cu broda" means that exactly one = cribe in the whole
>> > world
>> > brodas, which is often not what you want. We (those of us tha= t have
>> > actually
>> > been using xorlo for the last few months; there are at least = half a
>> > dozen
>> > active users on #lojban now) have found that context is almos= t always
>> > sufficient, however."
>>
>> Is that supposed to be related to what I was saying? I'm not s= ure if
>> you are quoting that as support or as disagreement.
>>
>> mu'o mi'e xorxes
>
> I was pointing out that you seemed to be disagreeing with yourself.
No, I don't think so.

Your quote was not from me anyway, and I'm not sure I follow it all, but what I was saying is that if he wants to commit to doing something
every day he should say "ca ro (lo) djedi", not "ca lo ro dj= edi",
which is hardly a very strong commitment.

mu'o mi'e xorxes

Okay, maybe you should= explain to me, in your own words, the difference between {ro broda}, {ro l= o broda}, and {lo ro broda}, becuase it seems to me I'm misunderstandin= g.

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mu'o mi'e .aionys.

.i.a'o.e'e ko cmima le= bende pe lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi luk. mi patfu do zo'o
(Come to= the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )

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