From lojban+bncCOjSjrXVGBCSz7jlBBoEW64zmQ@googlegroups.com Thu Oct 07 13:03:48 2010 Received: from mail-yx0-f189.google.com ([209.85.213.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1P3wgo-00089a-At; Thu, 07 Oct 2010 13:03:48 -0700 Received: by yxk30 with SMTP id 30sf166974yxk.16 for ; Thu, 07 Oct 2010 13:03:36 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=fhdrJzDSe2phJx75Hvca5o2/aYV9QDjy1hIZcoO1U4c=; b=B/B8rkVQRrsg657H8chdb/h8RCgRhUTCPz6ZzX7yUUlBSe91x0gUYWxdsp/uN+6VOu dflMf7tlD/ZnkUM0fmZC+SMZ7n0QEgvt3O+OKCZDcyhlrDtRBVaiINNmKMujFjX/kOJG WsazIMlbutiwak5+vb+7ZbNeeggxZKwC0uUrc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=CIjBFKTyzpxzuKrmGv0JsVMwrWztK576DXrRv2GsZA9dgAzODVg1lq8uwwYd/NXe48 GdPOpN2+j3shjqXNfGeEs1A4pZNaHO4mhbZAMDy6z8InufK9fbV2mYFA3l9XoY7H/eKg MyO3kPs7lG8Pjsv9UcHXGCqhCpPFRKV3tiRdc= Received: by 10.150.73.20 with SMTP id v20mr143901yba.46.1286481810260; Thu, 07 Oct 2010 13:03:30 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.150.167.4 with SMTP id p4ls627894ybe.1.p; Thu, 07 Oct 2010 13:03:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.150.147.18 with SMTP id u18mr278489ybd.12.1286481809508; Thu, 07 Oct 2010 13:03:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.150.147.18 with SMTP id u18mr278488ybd.12.1286481809471; Thu, 07 Oct 2010 13:03:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-gw0-f50.google.com (mail-gw0-f50.google.com [74.125.83.50]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id w9si1373673ybe.9.2010.10.07.13.03.28; Thu, 07 Oct 2010 13:03:28 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of lukeabergen@gmail.com designates 74.125.83.50 as permitted sender) client-ip=74.125.83.50; Received: by gwaa20 with SMTP id a20so142445gwa.37 for ; Thu, 07 Oct 2010 13:03:28 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.42.89.134 with SMTP id g6mr314954icm.190.1286481808227; Thu, 07 Oct 2010 13:03:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.48.79 with HTTP; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 13:03:28 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <20101007173227.GB27477@alice.local> Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2010 16:03:28 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] la lojbo kurji From: Luke Bergen To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: lukeabergen@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of lukeabergen@gmail.com designates 74.125.83.50 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=lukeabergen@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=90e6ba539e70307dd404920c63c5 --90e6ba539e70307dd404920c63c5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable oo oo, me first. re lo ci gerku is 2 of the 3 dogs. the {re} is saying how many things and the {ci} is saying what the scope is for the things that we are talking about. amirite? On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 3:56 PM, Jonathan Jones wrote: > > > 2010/10/7 Jorge Llamb=EDas > >> On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 4:40 PM, Jonathan Jones wrote= : >> > 2010/10/7 Jorge Llamb=EDas >> >> >> >> On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 4:17 PM, Jonathan Jones >> wrote: >> >> > 2010/10/7 Jorge Llamb=EDas >> >> >> On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 2:32 PM, .alyn.post. >> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> > .i mi ba tavla fo la lobjan. de'i lo ro djedi >> >> >> >> >> >> "lo ro djedi" is not a date, you want "ca" not "de'i". >> >> >> >> >> >> And "ca ro (lo) djedi", unless you are content to do it at some >> single >> >> >> point in time valid for all days. >> >> > >> >> > "A side effect of the above is that in xorlo, if you mean "one bear= ", >> >> > consider actually saying "pa cribe". It's ever so much more specifi= c. >> >> > xorxes >> >> > points out that to refer to one bear, "lo pa cribe" is actually a b= it >> >> > better; "pa cribe cu broda" means that exactly one cribe in the who= le >> >> > world >> >> > brodas, which is often not what you want. We (those of us that have >> >> > actually >> >> > been using xorlo for the last few months; there are at least half a >> >> > dozen >> >> > active users on #lojban now) have found that context is almost alwa= ys >> >> > sufficient, however." >> >> >> >> Is that supposed to be related to what I was saying? I'm not sure if >> >> you are quoting that as support or as disagreement. >> >> >> >> mu'o mi'e xorxes >> > >> > I was pointing out that you seemed to be disagreeing with yourself. >> >> No, I don't think so. >> >> Your quote was not from me anyway, and I'm not sure I follow it all, >> but what I was saying is that if he wants to commit to doing something >> every day he should say "ca ro (lo) djedi", not "ca lo ro djedi", >> which is hardly a very strong commitment. >> >> mu'o mi'e xorxes >> > > Okay, maybe you should explain to me, in your own words, the difference > between {ro broda}, {ro lo broda}, and {lo ro broda}, becuase it seems to= me > I'm misunderstanding. > > > -- > mu'o mi'e .aionys. > > .i.a'o.e'e ko cmima le bende pe lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi luk. mi patfu > do zo'o > (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. > --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den. --90e6ba539e70307dd404920c63c5 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable oo oo, me first.

re lo ci gerku is 2 of the 3 dogs. =A0t= he {re} is saying how many things and the {ci} is saying what the scope is = for the things that we are talking about. =A0amirite?

On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 3:56 PM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
<= blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px= #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">


2010/1= 0/7 Jorge Llamb=EDas <jjllambias@gmail.com>
On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 4:40 PM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com&g= t; wrote:
> 2010/10/7 Jorge Llamb=EDas <jjllambias@gmail.com>
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 4:17 PM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote: >> > 2010/10/7 Jorge Llamb=EDas <jjllambias@gmail.com>
>> >> On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 2:32 PM, .alyn.post.
>> >> <alyn.post@lodockikumazvati.org> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > =A0.i mi ba tavla fo la lobjan. de'i lo ro djedi=
>> >>
>> >> "lo ro djedi" is not a date, you want "ca&= quot; not "de'i".
>> >>
>> >> And "ca ro (lo) djedi", unless you are content = to do it at some single
>> >> point in time valid for all days.
>> >
>> > "A side effect of the above is that in xorlo, if you mea= n "one bear",
>> > consider actually saying "pa cribe". It's ever = so much more specific.
>> > xorxes
>> > points out that to refer to one bear, "lo pa cribe"= is actually a bit
>> > better; "pa cribe cu broda" means that exactly one = cribe in the whole
>> > world
>> > brodas, which is often not what you want. We (those of us tha= t have
>> > actually
>> > been using xorlo for the last few months; there are at least = half a
>> > dozen
>> > active users on #lojban now) have found that context is almos= t always
>> > sufficient, however."
>>
>> Is that supposed to be related to what I was saying? I'm not s= ure if
>> you are quoting that as support or as disagreement.
>>
>> mu'o mi'e xorxes
>
> I was pointing out that you seemed to be disagreeing with yourself.
No, I don't think so.

Your quote was not from me anyway, and I'm not sure I follow it all, but what I was saying is that if he wants to commit to doing something
every day he should say "ca ro (lo) djedi", not "ca lo ro dj= edi",
which is hardly a very strong commitment.

mu'o mi'e xorxes

Okay, mayb= e you should explain to me, in your own words, the difference between {ro b= roda}, {ro lo broda}, and {lo ro broda}, becuase it seems to me I'm mis= understanding.


--
mu'o mi'e .aionys.

.i.a'o.e'e ko cmima le= bende pe lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi luk. mi patfu do zo'o
(Come to= the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )

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