From lojban+bncCMHEmaCOBhDwz7jlBBoEOnrY4w@googlegroups.com Thu Oct 07 13:05:21 2010 Received: from mail-gx0-f189.google.com ([209.85.161.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1P3wiL-0008GD-9J; Thu, 07 Oct 2010 13:05:21 -0700 Received: by gxk9 with SMTP id 9sf170431gxk.16 for ; Thu, 07 Oct 2010 13:05:11 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=RyX0/XfgyjoH3eobJkKPK+JkvrbblXy56/83BaeKJM8=; b=msEJ+58aUunY03yiAuzx90Ri/krHxFnl3tmTxGs0+aja1U7YEf7hY64MhM45sKHqw+ UcFofFfF46/CO+Mxb3tC21VmP1nI49wxW/GBaP/Ix2K0vihJezlqBUPTlEIBX7abciPC ZPA3A781Kupo5rZeboH5CFCIct6rKHcOhjkZ0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=q6MKMFl/kfqu7/SXpYFdIG8EdLHIoNRo3KUn0nQCFD8J3lZ/DOtZEGHWcz7eIg+bSA h/PqGWzFtgKgr0v8d9AFwRvMACRE6de6ihm/wokzod+B3lFNQPakZOIBhzlHZ2pr2w98 cMS0wfITFWp6Aa4ArMto2RAnJYtWSZ22sxf0c= Received: by 10.91.161.20 with SMTP id n20mr148072ago.34.1286481904334; Thu, 07 Oct 2010 13:05:04 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.231.180.73 with SMTP id bt9ls166151ibb.0.p; Thu, 07 Oct 2010 13:05:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.58.206 with SMTP id i14mr406072ibh.0.1286481903791; Thu, 07 Oct 2010 13:05:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.58.206 with SMTP id i14mr406070ibh.0.1286481903715; Thu, 07 Oct 2010 13:05:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-iw0-f177.google.com (mail-iw0-f177.google.com [209.85.214.177]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id e4si1601177ibc.0.2010.10.07.13.05.02; Thu, 07 Oct 2010 13:05:02 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.177 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.214.177; Received: by iwn42 with SMTP id 42so322011iwn.36 for ; Thu, 07 Oct 2010 13:05:02 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.190.75 with SMTP id dh11mr1358858ibb.189.1286481902173; Thu, 07 Oct 2010 13:05:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.206.16 with HTTP; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 13:05:02 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <20101007173227.GB27477@alice.local> Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2010 14:05:02 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] la lojbo kurji From: Jonathan Jones To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: eyeonus@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.177 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=eyeonus@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016367b6eccc9fffd04920c6836 --0016367b6eccc9fffd04920c6836 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 2:03 PM, Luke Bergen wrote: > oo oo, me first. > > re lo ci gerku is 2 of the 3 dogs. the {re} is saying how many things an= d > the {ci} is saying what the scope is for the things that we are talking > about. amirite? > As far as I understand quantified gadri, yes. > On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 3:56 PM, Jonathan Jones wrote: > >> >> >> 2010/10/7 Jorge Llamb=EDas >> >>> On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 4:40 PM, Jonathan Jones >>> wrote: >>> > 2010/10/7 Jorge Llamb=EDas >>> >> >>> >> On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 4:17 PM, Jonathan Jones >>> wrote: >>> >> > 2010/10/7 Jorge Llamb=EDas >>> >> >> On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 2:32 PM, .alyn.post. >>> >> >> wrote: >>> >> >> >>> >> >> > .i mi ba tavla fo la lobjan. de'i lo ro djedi >>> >> >> >>> >> >> "lo ro djedi" is not a date, you want "ca" not "de'i". >>> >> >> >>> >> >> And "ca ro (lo) djedi", unless you are content to do it at some >>> single >>> >> >> point in time valid for all days. >>> >> > >>> >> > "A side effect of the above is that in xorlo, if you mean "one >>> bear", >>> >> > consider actually saying "pa cribe". It's ever so much more >>> specific. >>> >> > xorxes >>> >> > points out that to refer to one bear, "lo pa cribe" is actually a >>> bit >>> >> > better; "pa cribe cu broda" means that exactly one cribe in the >>> whole >>> >> > world >>> >> > brodas, which is often not what you want. We (those of us that hav= e >>> >> > actually >>> >> > been using xorlo for the last few months; there are at least half = a >>> >> > dozen >>> >> > active users on #lojban now) have found that context is almost >>> always >>> >> > sufficient, however." >>> >> >>> >> Is that supposed to be related to what I was saying? I'm not sure if >>> >> you are quoting that as support or as disagreement. >>> >> >>> >> mu'o mi'e xorxes >>> > >>> > I was pointing out that you seemed to be disagreeing with yourself. >>> >>> No, I don't think so. >>> >>> Your quote was not from me anyway, and I'm not sure I follow it all, >>> but what I was saying is that if he wants to commit to doing something >>> every day he should say "ca ro (lo) djedi", not "ca lo ro djedi", >>> which is hardly a very strong commitment. >>> >>> mu'o mi'e xorxes >>> >> >> Okay, maybe you should explain to me, in your own words, the difference >> between {ro broda}, {ro lo broda}, and {lo ro broda}, becuase it seems t= o me >> I'm misunderstanding. >> >> >> -- >> mu'o mi'e .aionys. >> >> .i.a'o.e'e ko cmima le bende pe lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi luk. mi patf= u >> do zo'o >> (Come to the Dot Side! 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On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 2:03 PM, Luke Bergen <lukeabergen@gmai= l.com> wrote:
oo oo, me first.

re lo ci gerku is 2 of the 3 dogs. =A0t= he {re} is saying how many things and the {ci} is saying what the scope is = for the things that we are talking about. =A0amirite?

As far as I understand quantified gadri, yes.
=A0
On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 3:56 PM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com><= /span> wrote:


2010/10/7 Jorge Lla= mb=EDas <jjllambias@gmail.com>
On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 4:40 PM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com&g= t; wrote:
> 2010/10/7 Jorge Llamb=EDas <jjllambias@gmail.com>
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 4:17 PM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote: >> > 2010/10/7 Jorge Llamb=EDas <jjllambias@gmail.com>
>> >> On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 2:32 PM, .alyn.post.
>> >> <alyn.post@lodockikumazvati.org> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > =A0.i mi ba tavla fo la lobjan. de'i lo ro djedi=
>> >>
>> >> "lo ro djedi" is not a date, you want "ca&= quot; not "de'i".
>> >>
>> >> And "ca ro (lo) djedi", unless you are content = to do it at some single
>> >> point in time valid for all days.
>> >
>> > "A side effect of the above is that in xorlo, if you mea= n "one bear",
>> > consider actually saying "pa cribe". It's ever = so much more specific.
>> > xorxes
>> > points out that to refer to one bear, "lo pa cribe"= is actually a bit
>> > better; "pa cribe cu broda" means that exactly one = cribe in the whole
>> > world
>> > brodas, which is often not what you want. We (those of us tha= t have
>> > actually
>> > been using xorlo for the last few months; there are at least = half a
>> > dozen
>> > active users on #lojban now) have found that context is almos= t always
>> > sufficient, however."
>>
>> Is that supposed to be related to what I was saying? I'm not s= ure if
>> you are quoting that as support or as disagreement.
>>
>> mu'o mi'e xorxes
>
> I was pointing out that you seemed to be disagreeing with yourself.
No, I don't think so.

Your quote was not from me anyway, and I'm not sure I follow it all, but what I was saying is that if he wants to commit to doing something
every day he should say "ca ro (lo) djedi", not "ca lo ro dj= edi",
which is hardly a very strong commitment.

mu'o mi'e xorxes

Okay, mayb= e you should explain to me, in your own words, the difference between {ro b= roda}, {ro lo broda}, and {lo ro broda}, becuase it seems to me I'm mis= understanding.


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