From lojban+bncCKH6vKekGBDT6aDlBBoECBleZA@googlegroups.com Sun Oct 03 00:46:43 2010 Received: from mail-wy0-f189.google.com ([74.125.82.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1P2JHL-0006z4-Pl; Sun, 03 Oct 2010 00:46:43 -0700 Received: by wyb40 with SMTP id 40sf1105066wyb.16 for ; Sun, 03 Oct 2010 00:46:33 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=rOFTB1lwJLjgpoAenxPBQYt1dOu90QDHavY6p0ExOCI=; b=o2TYtU0kAoZ/HzgTo4aqQUM79jEZvsHZhCSgdn4H65S66zdx/QTTkNAJB6jJDMABz+ HESrcqcpZtq71DB0xWnUAwnaf/yhf41jHlRsGvclmymKlFezeYUryczNYMYDF2EmWSPF CBwZFZqcdltUxy7fubTHLsJjAkJHu0ktoz8Vw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from :to:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=tCmjPaPWyJsi0/XOg8ZWXpuoXNG88NB6nHhWP707ciz5Kx9soxV+MLmHTX12PTSwGB NzmyNP+XTkJOwInQPfJH5AFb8oYEBiOk//hJdXQpRkuZzc7sK4MOSVmT1V6rhYxnKV3W vOaCRo9JLPD+P9lg3g9AzV2cH0wdx5pRVUGs8= Received: by 10.216.145.226 with SMTP id p76mr1461658wej.18.1286091987019; Sun, 03 Oct 2010 00:46:27 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.216.198.162 with SMTP id v34ls1770162wen.3.p; Sun, 03 Oct 2010 00:46:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.66.196 with SMTP id h46mr210511wed.6.1286091985615; Sun, 03 Oct 2010 00:46:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.66.196 with SMTP id h46mr210510wed.6.1286091985583; Sun, 03 Oct 2010 00:46:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wy0-f182.google.com (mail-wy0-f182.google.com [74.125.82.182]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id v4si993025weq.1.2010.10.03.00.46.24; Sun, 03 Oct 2010 00:46:24 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of fagricipni@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.182 as permitted sender) client-ip=74.125.82.182; Received: by wyb29 with SMTP id 29so3519452wyb.27 for ; Sun, 03 Oct 2010 00:46:24 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.150.195 with SMTP id z45mr3971175wej.63.1286091983198; Sun, 03 Oct 2010 00:46:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.178.79 with HTTP; Sun, 3 Oct 2010 00:46:23 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2010 03:46:23 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: [lojban] Omission of "Subjects" From: "H. Felton" To: lojban X-Original-Sender: fagricipni@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of fagricipni@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.182 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=fagricipni@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 {I am} __re-reading_David_R._Palmer's_novel_Emergence__. __Contemplating_writing_style_used_by__main_first-person_ _character__. No need to worry about spoilers in the quotes that I have used: all quotes from early part of novel. __Will_let_her_explain_sentence_structure_and_basic_ _situation__. I have added the material in braces and brackets in the quotes to clarify meaning in a few cases because I have dropped other clarifying context at times, and I have added the "underlining" for reasons to be explained later, but the parenthetical remarks are in the original. {This} __explains_language_usage__: ... One thing certain: Sentence structure throughout will have English teachers spinning in graves (those fortunate to have one). English 60 percent flab, null symbols, waste. __Suspect_massive_inefficiency_stems_from_ _subconsciously_recognized_need_to_stall__, __give_inferior_intellects_chance_to_collect_ _thoughts_into_semblance_of_coherence__ (usually without success), and to show off (my twelve-dollar-word can lick your ten-dollar-word). __Will_not_adhere_to_ _precedent__; __makes_little_sense_to_write_ _shorthand__ [ed: {one is supposed to} assume that book translated from shorthand], then cancel advantage by employment of rambling academese. __Keep_getting_sidetracked_into_social_ _criticism__. Probably symptom of condition. Stupid; all evidence says no society left. __Explains situation__: Daddy convinced that Man's highest achievements not vanish in Fireworks [ed: WW III], also positive same just around corner. (Confession: __Wondered_sometimes_if_playing_with_complete_ _deck__; __spent incalculable_sums_on_shelter_and_ _contents__. __Turns_out_was_right__; __is_ _probably_having_last_laugh_Somewhere__ [ed: "Somewhere" reference to afterlife. __missing_from_shelter__ because {was} __away_from_town_on_business_trip_when_surprise_ _attack_happened__]. __Wish_were_here_to_needle_ _me_about_it__ -- but __wouldn't_if_could__; __was_too_nice__. __Miss_him__. Very much.) {Here are} two more quotes: {I} __was_born_11_years_ago_in_small_Wisconsin_ _town__, only child of normal parents. __Named_ _Candidia_Maria_Smith__; __reduced_to_Candy_ _before_ink_dried_on_certificate__. Early indications of atypicality: Eyes focused, tracked at birth: cause-effect association evident by six weeks, first words at four months, sentences at six months. __Orphaned_at_ten_months__. __Parents_killed_in_ _car_accident__. No relatives -- __created_dilemma_for_ _baby-sitter__. __Solved_when_social_worker_took_ _charge__. __Was_awfully_cute_baby__; __adopted_ _in_record_time__. ... __Earned_way_through__ {karate classes}. __Devoted_great_effort_to_maintaining_favored_ _status__; __achieved_Black_Belt_in_ten_months__, state championship (for age/weight group) six months later. __Was_considered_probable_national_ _championship_material,_possibly_world__. Enjoyed; great fun, terrific physical conditioning, obvious potential value (ask Filthy Four [ed: group who made mistake of attacking her teacher shortly after first moved into town]), good for ego due to adulation over ever-lengthening string of successes, capture of state loving cup (ironic misnomer -- contest was mock combat: __"killed"_seven_opponents__, __"maimed"_22_others_for_life_or_longer__). {I} __noticed_feature_of_"underlined"_expressions__: __missing_explicit_subject,_even_though_in_English_it_would_be_ _(highly)_unusual/forbidden_for_subject_to_be__omitted__. __Know_that_Lojban_bridi_without_x1_place_have_been_described_ _as_observatives__, but __wondering_if_omitting__x1_is_really_ _different_from_omitting_other_places__. If not, then is there any problem with using Lojban analogues of structure of "underlined" phrases because __considering_doing_so__. __Seems_ _like_good_application_of_being_permitted_to_omit_unneeded_ _information__,_such_as_already_encouraged_for_tense_and_number__. {You} __have_probably_already_noticed_that_attempted_to_ duplicate_style_in_this_message__. However, use of braces in own text suggests occasional "subjects" that __might_feel_the_ _need_to_include_in_Lojban_version_of_this_document__. __Have_ _not_used_all_Candy-style_elisions_that_came_to_mind__; some would have induce additional distortions of English grammar that might obscure the main point of skipping "subjects_. __Know_that_Lojban_is_not_compression_system__. __Actually_ _have_preference_for_"lo_broda_pe_mi"_over_"lo_mi_broda"__. __Seems_less_like_attempt_to_force_English-like_aspect_on_to_ _Lojban__, also __not_unfamiliar_to_me__: __remember_use_of_ _"de"_for_possession_from_long-ago_high-school_Spanish_ _classes__. So some "compressions" will not personally use. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. 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