Well, the problem is that 'ro gerku cu broda' and = 'lo ro gerku cu broda' come close to the same thing, at least involve the s= ame dogs. The only clear difference is the possibility that those dog= s broda collectively (all together or at least in such a way that all are i= nvolved in brodaing) whereas ro broda means each and every dog brodas indiv= idually. Of course, if brodaing is something that can only be done in= dividually, even that distinction disappears. 'ro lo gerku cu broda' = just as that each and every one of some dogs (see previous conditions) brod= as, saying nothing about all the other dogs not covered by the term.

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<= span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">From: Jonathan Jones <eyeon= us@gmail.com>
To: lo= jban@googlegroups.com
Sent:= Thu, October 7, 2010 4:40:48 PM
Subject: Re: [lojban] la lojbo kurji

I wasn't having trouble with quantifiers in general, just with {ro}. That i= s why I quoted that paragraph from the "How to use xorlo" page.

On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 3:35 PM, John E Clifford <kali9putra@yahoo.= com> wrote:

'ro' is a bad case to pick, because so many cases fall together, so le= t's work with 're'. 're gerku cu broda' says that exactly two of all = the dogs in the operant universe broda. 'lo gerku cu broda' says that= dogs (some overtly unspecified but possibly picked out in context --= I want to say "bunch of dogs" but that, justifiably, gives xorxes th= e fantods) broda. 're lo gerku cu broda' says that exactly two out of= some (bunch of) dogs broda. 'lo re gerku cu broda' says that (a pack of) t= wo dogs broda, with no commitment about any other dogs in the world. = Indeed, all the 'lo' expressions say nothing about other dogs, just this (s= ome) bunch. Well, 'lo ro broda' does talk about all the dogs in the o= perant universe, but that is why it is a bad case.

From: Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com>
To: lojban@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thu, October 7, 2010 = 3:05:02 PM
Subject: Re: = [lojban] la lojbo kurji

On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 2:03 PM, Luke Bergen <lukeabergen@gma= il.com> wrote:
oo oo, me first.

re lo ci gerku is 2 of the 3 dogs. &nbs= p;the {re} is saying how many things and the {ci} is saying what the scope = is for the things that we are talking about. amirite?

As far as I understand quantified gadri, yes.

On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 3:56 PM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:

2010/10/7 Jorge Lla= mb=EDas <jjlla= mbias@gmail.com>

On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 4:40 PM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
> 2010/10/7 Jorge Llamb=EDas <jjllambias@gmail.com>
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 4:17 PM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > 2010/10/7 Jorge Llamb=EDas <jjllambias@gmail.com>
>> >> On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 2:32 PM, .alyn.post.
>> >> <alyn.post@lodockikumazvati.org> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > .i mi ba tavla fo la lobjan. de'i lo ro djedi<= br> >> >>
>> >> "lo ro djedi" is not a date, you want "ca" not "de'i". >> >>
>> >> And "ca ro (lo) djedi", unless you are content to do it a= t some single
>> >> point in time valid for all days.
>> >
>> > "A side effect of the above is that in xorlo, if you mean "on= e bear",
>> > consider actually saying "pa cribe". It's ever so much more s= pecific.
>> > xorxes
>> > points out that to refer to one bear, "lo pa cribe" is actual= ly a bit
>> > better; "pa cribe cu broda" means that exactly one cribe in t= he whole
>> > world
>> > brodas, which is often not what you want. We (those of us tha= t have
>> > actually
>> > been using xorlo for the last few months; there are at least = half a
>> > dozen
>> > active users on #lojban now) have found that context is almos= t always
>> > sufficient, however."
>>
>> Is that supposed to be related to what I was saying? I'm not sure = if
>> you are quoting that as support or as disagreement.
>>
>> mu'o mi'e xorxes
>
> I was pointing out that you seemed to be disagreeing with yourself.

No, I don't think so.

Your quote was not from me anyway, and I'm not sure I follow it all,
but what I was saying is that if he wants to commit to doing something
every day he should say "ca ro (lo) djedi", not "ca lo ro djedi",
which is hardly a very strong commitment.

mu'o mi'e xorxes

Okay, maybe you sh= ould explain to me, in your own words, the difference between {ro broda}, {= ro lo broda}, and {lo ro broda}, becuase it seems to me I'm misunderstandin= g.

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