From lojban+bncCML0xpmUARDgnaHlBBoEwSXl1w@googlegroups.com Sun Oct 03 02:37:54 2010 Received: from mail-qy0-f189.google.com ([209.85.216.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1P2L0v-0004ab-2n; Sun, 03 Oct 2010 02:37:54 -0700 Received: by qyk29 with SMTP id 29sf1460093qyk.16 for ; Sun, 03 Oct 2010 02:37:43 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received :mime-version:received:received:date:x-ip:user-agent :x-http-useragent:message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help :list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=WztH4MZRGKCWGGzsXGEeAZ+Y8k0x7vWU7g7nsOf3dPU=; b=iIfr78K5ymCpDdmhig/Y4peEDWO4hUMxQWSAz8+1M1KEdAsKcwlypnxK+pwOawvOSC MSicZPXEbPsPI4fA7yaepdPOErVVWgMpRMfOe1bq/se4HS1MUeVZzoLf0bPFDY1ZN57g nterxqAGoasg8pv5nyX8dq7D1XqfJeyUV2NY0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:mime-version:date:x-ip:user-agent:x-http-useragent :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence :mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=H2AlcLbe85tP2TpktX+nQEjzpHvMDtJhM61Mvi5WqGG2Xnpt9TA+wCINq+KfWE+kuF XE7xJVcCnahNARxvKXR8ELx5pS1Vp14uoKrJTyFyxB4QfA3m9pseU2F02b9P7KtLojYI afP0cIIFZ11NxWgS/BUjx3rH/rppsrBNu5J3c= Received: by 10.224.64.203 with SMTP id f11mr697338qai.34.1286098656206; Sun, 03 Oct 2010 02:37:36 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.224.72.153 with SMTP id m25ls1144057qaj.1.p; Sun, 03 Oct 2010 02:37:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.224.88.103 with SMTP id z39mr1869281qal.10.1286098655383; Sun, 03 Oct 2010 02:37:35 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.90.217.17 with SMTP id p17mr514635agg.52.1286065027877; Sat, 02 Oct 2010 17:17:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: by a15g2000yqm.googlegroups.com with HTTP; Sat, 2 Oct 2010 17:17:07 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2010 17:17:07 -0700 (PDT) X-IP: 69.255.156.230 User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US) AppleWebKit/534.3 (KHTML, like Gecko) Ubuntu/10.04 Chromium/6.0.472.62 Chrome/6.0.472.62 Safari/534.3,gzip(gfe) Message-ID: Subject: [lojban] A pro-sumti for PU? From: Latro To: lojban X-Original-Sender: blindbravado@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 My first post on the big jboste .ui Frequently this equivalence is used: caku mi broda == mi ca broda and similar such things with PU. But {ku} isn't terminating anything in LE, so this doesn't really make sense. At the same time we want to be able to quickly say "now" or "later" without being constrained to putting the tense before the selbri. The simplest way would be to simply use {zo'e}, which is actually what I thought was going on with {caku} and the lot. But this isn't especially precise; we should be able to point at "the present moment" more easily and precisely, and also be able to talk about it in terms of more than just tenses. So why not give it a pro-sumti? The first CV'V I could find was {ja'u} (I was very surprised to find some of the CV'V that already exist; {ga'o} is a prominent example); why not use that? The short version of this: Proposal: {ja'u}: pro-sumti; the present moment relative to the speaker. mu'o mi'e latros. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.