From lojban+bncCK30vq5WEKqeveUEGgRy8rG3@googlegroups.com Fri Oct 08 10:04:57 2010 Received: from mail-pz0-f61.google.com ([209.85.210.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1P4GNJ-00063T-Iu; Fri, 08 Oct 2010 10:04:57 -0700 Received: by pzk7 with SMTP id 7sf642773pzk.16 for ; Fri, 08 Oct 2010 10:04:48 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:date:from:to:subject:message-id :references:mime-version:in-reply-to:user-agent:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-disposition; bh=o+DHgPBHTkaekUNr+YAqzHarpKeDduEc7e8EPukE+8E=; b=t3Iag3HWUeoqgyJZO1GUihKGLIKaU2AOqdrvsr2y8PGaHcNkv8aHvL/aOiHwwJnqWQ eecsOLG5uPdcqi/KZsRCxS9Lx4RRPYfrF9xROEwIHxfOSP5FLYy2ilItHMiCb0XoX6nJ rh+LNBBkGfrdTCQrWasM6cn+DcZDK7CXxxfWE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:date:from:to:subject:message-id:references :mime-version:in-reply-to:user-agent:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-disposition; b=Wy723QwJpEczhICkPz07WONrrBB8Lhu+XenqL5tpurawquKMqUyRNOIJnIJg1cLFDs ITbP9zrEtXcnhmy8wF0cnA/d1lDlTCGwv9ILOneUY5SA8zqDtcMUvDjnDLXE9Zx2hE9m EtZua4srdGFIGehP4F7TCHbKedmLY7gdEwmUU= Received: by 10.142.249.18 with SMTP id w18mr41002wfh.43.1286557482354; Fri, 08 Oct 2010 10:04:42 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.142.117.2 with SMTP id p2ls523039wfc.1.p; Fri, 08 Oct 2010 10:04:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.200.16 with SMTP id x16mr991125wff.45.1286557480119; Fri, 08 Oct 2010 10:04:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.200.16 with SMTP id x16mr991124wff.45.1286557480099; Fri, 08 Oct 2010 10:04:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org (digitalkingdom.org [173.13.139.234]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id h6si4330245wfj.1.2010.10.08.10.04.40; Fri, 08 Oct 2010 10:04:40 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org designates 173.13.139.234 as permitted sender) client-ip=173.13.139.234; Received: from rlpowell by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1P4GN5-00063N-Gc for lojban@googlegroups.com; Fri, 08 Oct 2010 10:04:39 -0700 Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2010 10:04:39 -0700 From: Robin Lee Powell To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] You're Doing it Wrong Message-ID: <20101008170439.GE20458@digitalkingdom.org> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) X-Original-Sender: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org designates 173.13.139.234 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline On Fri, Oct 08, 2010 at 02:07:09AM -0700, Viral Lamb wrote: > Why hasn't the CLL been updated? Or the L4B? Why is this "xorlo" > thing even here when I see no way of clearly learning it? That > made me feel stupid and frustrated. Why does it seem like no one > is updating anything? Why does it seem like the community has > died? Then I found Robin's essay on his blog, > http://teddyb.org/robin/tiki-index.php?page=Lojban:+You%27re+Doing+It+Wrong > > Finally, someone who felt as I did. Someone who could give me > answers. Someone who could show me the light. Then I became sad. > This was written in February, and yet nothing has changed. No one > was talking about it. The hope I had while reading the essay, then > died. It seemed to confirm my feelings. No one cared. There was a bunch of discussion at the time. Apparently it was mostly in IRC? as I can't find anything on the mailing list. Maybe it was the LLG Member's list, dunno. Anyways. Many things were said. Many promises were made. Some BPFK work was actually done. But not much. And then it basically stopped. And here we are. If you want stuff done around here, I'm afraid you have to do it yourself. -Robin -- http://singinst.org/ : Our last, best hope for a fantastic future. Lojban (http://www.lojban.org/): The language in which "this parrot is dead" is "ti poi spitaki cu morsi", but "this sentence is false" is "na nei". My personal page: http://www.digitalkingdom.org/rlp/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.