From lojban+bncCMuAoImuBxD5tb3lBBoEfeFKCQ@googlegroups.com Fri Oct 08 10:55:22 2010 Received: from mail-vw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.212.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1P4HA6-0008SB-2l; Fri, 08 Oct 2010 10:55:22 -0700 Received: by vws6 with SMTP id 6sf340325vws.16 for ; Fri, 08 Oct 2010 10:55:11 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=pxO/cI5/dLjZu+DA7RjM72gyEVU7V18RNKYuUGvmThc=; b=oM7d/6soGQ8wAQj3lHgmIcKrjMnp3OoM01zBEiMu1vgdl70CRmw7gNwhRSSaTagXuH T+fR3kfGnZPJ3PE4zWVIf67Nb98wTNCYpWwvQJtjznL4w+4cTnGsp2WT4zQezP2bW5+0 zvAfm7VdUUf266S/8/NCk9IzZAR2TlgRSiw4A= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=VOUFEWVjpCvWjn3UyDV/M64Gw5iWXYbfMJ+5r0j8aObezwbBFmDfj4E0WqgisIbJAz nFfBR7FaZG/0x7C4KTEttcbcK8VMyD6GWMe6ZOt3pePcVT8J4w/jm07BCGehfYOMQXy+ g9duRvMP7PuDhtAAMktaEyYY49daes01ehOWc= Received: by 10.220.178.2 with SMTP id bk2mr84448vcb.49.1286560505761; Fri, 08 Oct 2010 10:55:05 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.220.183.198 with SMTP id ch6ls197898vcb.2.p; Fri, 08 Oct 2010 10:55:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.181.129 with SMTP id by1mr711066vcb.24.1286560503999; Fri, 08 Oct 2010 10:55:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.181.129 with SMTP id by1mr711065vcb.24.1286560503971; Fri, 08 Oct 2010 10:55:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qy0-f172.google.com (mail-qy0-f172.google.com [209.85.216.172]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id t41si676698vcr.8.2010.10.08.10.55.02; Fri, 08 Oct 2010 10:55:02 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jtorndorff@gmail.com designates 209.85.216.172 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.216.172; Received: by mail-qy0-f172.google.com with SMTP id 2so257660qyk.10 for ; Fri, 08 Oct 2010 10:55:02 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.219.70 with SMTP id ht6mr2287281qcb.105.1286560502728; Fri, 08 Oct 2010 10:55:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.72.135 with HTTP; Fri, 8 Oct 2010 10:55:02 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20101008173130.GA29534@alice.local> References: <20101008173130.GA29534@alice.local> Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2010 13:55:02 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] You're Doing it Wrong From: Jameson Orndorff To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: jtorndorff@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jtorndorff@gmail.com designates 209.85.216.172 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jtorndorff@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The shortness and rather abrupt cutoff of the wave lesson is a personal failing of mine. While the community did a great job editing and compiling that, I sort of stopped having time to teach and thus generate the content that drove the wave. Trust me when I say that I want to continue to work on it. I really believe in the methodology I use to teach lojban and want to use a strong method to attract and retain people. Since you did read it, aside from the cutoff and the sort of roughness to it, did you find it reasonably useful? Please stop by IRC, irc.freenode.net #lojban and come chat with us. On Fri, Oct 8, 2010 at 1:31 PM, .alyn.post. wrote: > On Fri, Oct 08, 2010 at 02:07:09AM -0700, Viral Lamb wrote: >> =A0 But this isn't the same language I left years ago. > > I'm personally inspired by Robin's essay as well, and hope to > manifest as much of it as I can. > > The quickest summary I have of the situation is this: > > =A0a) There are too few fluent speakers of Lojban. > =A0b) There are influential people in Lojbanistan that resist change > =A0 =A0to the status quo. =A0Either actively or simply by non-engagement. > =A0c) Some of these people *may* become less resistant to changing > =A0 =A0the status quo with a greater number of fluent speakers. > =A0 =A0Most particularly having enough fluent speakers to conduct > =A0 =A0conversations about changing the baseline in Lojban, rather > =A0 =A0than discussing it in English. > =A0d) Even if that's not true, demographics are on the side of > =A0 =A0changing the baseline. =A0The timeline is only a matter of > =A0 =A0our ability to create more fluent speakers. > =A0e) The first and best thing you can do for Lojbanistan is to learn > =A0 =A0Lojban. =A0It would be great if you wanted to clean up and add > =A0 =A0learning material while you go, but make that secondary to using > =A0 =A0the language. > > This community is still bootstrapping itself. =A0We have the most > well-specified lanugage ever, and the situation you describe is > exactly where we're at. =A0If you want something better than this > it frankly doesn't exist today, you have to help make it happen. > > -Alan > -- > .i ko djuno fi le do sevzi > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups= "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegr= oups.com. > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojb= an?hl=3Den. > > --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. 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