From lojban+bncCNSZ3eHoCBDyvL3lBBoEXHXxYw@googlegroups.com Fri Oct 08 11:10:10 2010 Received: from mail-fx0-f61.google.com ([209.85.161.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1P4HOQ-0000mF-Px; Fri, 08 Oct 2010 11:10:10 -0700 Received: by fxm17 with SMTP id 17sf265813fxm.16 for ; Fri, 08 Oct 2010 11:10:00 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:received:mime-version:received :in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=9c3XZAJ7WFyBGLbNKRaLqf/TTSm2x51lODD5w1jDi8I=; b=NSF4RF/dqLtAC0+0ut53y6ty/ZyTlotT4n5gEmPQ4BQ/UkSfLu9GJatMfW9ZXKP1f3 c+GKOHlBP7FuGduk2vyP3x01B/Ai/pVPxFkHOXlqqUSwnDlmBc3cXL4LQolrc+0Iqrhh W3CXIIvEt6trDeFksoxYxa7g7rIrLFZ4T7aqw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=DXCtLQ/XBsNSIsQPvR0jJ8sGmbg+jhFBqWCh0AwkK/U8ztYaVmGGMIFcfOxOeOmMII nDb22UvtQwg6fEWLuzEXD6ZQYDbHeEt9HSr/hal1833FHJJikcJ1WJ+3VJ7O1Jhc7kK8 B/xp3906W928Ique2b9qSkiw+ge39joQhGqms= Received: by 10.223.91.81 with SMTP id l17mr125452fam.25.1286561394312; Fri, 08 Oct 2010 11:09:54 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.204.48.209 with SMTP id s17ls465736bkf.2.p; Fri, 08 Oct 2010 11:09:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.82.140 with SMTP id b12mr63917bkl.5.1286561392502; Fri, 08 Oct 2010 11:09:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.82.140 with SMTP id b12mr63916bkl.5.1286561392471; Fri, 08 Oct 2010 11:09:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-bw0-f49.google.com (mail-bw0-f49.google.com [209.85.214.49]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id p18si1989706bkb.4.2010.10.08.11.09.51; Fri, 08 Oct 2010 11:09:51 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of frankdmartinez@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.49 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.214.49; Received: by mail-bw0-f49.google.com with SMTP id 2so1134523bwz.36 for ; Fri, 08 Oct 2010 11:09:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.84.17 with SMTP id h17mr2343210bkl.101.1286561391262; Fri, 08 Oct 2010 11:09:51 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.50.82 with HTTP; Fri, 8 Oct 2010 11:09:30 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <20101008173130.GA29534@alice.local> From: Frank Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2010 14:09:30 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] You're Doing it Wrong To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: frankdmartinez@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of frankdmartinez@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.49 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=frankdmartinez@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e6d97109b53df504921eea6f --0016e6d97109b53df504921eea6f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 coi djemysyn. I did find the first few sections /very/ helpful, Myself. Does Anyone have a copied of the wave pulled out for reposting on another site? mi'e xuinkrbin. On 8 October 2010 13:55, Jameson Orndorff wrote: > The shortness and rather abrupt cutoff of the wave lesson is a > personal failing of mine. While the community did a great job editing > and compiling that, I sort of stopped having time to teach and thus > generate the content that drove the wave. Trust me when I say that I > want to continue to work on it. I really believe in the methodology I > use to teach lojban and want to use a strong method to attract and > retain people. Since you did read it, aside from the cutoff and the > sort of roughness to it, did you find it reasonably useful? > > Please stop by IRC, irc.freenode.net #lojban and come chat with us. > > On Fri, Oct 8, 2010 at 1:31 PM, .alyn.post. > wrote: > > On Fri, Oct 08, 2010 at 02:07:09AM -0700, Viral Lamb wrote: > >> But this isn't the same language I left years ago. > > > > I'm personally inspired by Robin's essay as well, and hope to > > manifest as much of it as I can. > > > > The quickest summary I have of the situation is this: > > > > a) There are too few fluent speakers of Lojban. > > b) There are influential people in Lojbanistan that resist change > > to the status quo. Either actively or simply by non-engagement. > > c) Some of these people *may* become less resistant to changing > > the status quo with a greater number of fluent speakers. > > Most particularly having enough fluent speakers to conduct > > conversations about changing the baseline in Lojban, rather > > than discussing it in English. > > d) Even if that's not true, demographics are on the side of > > changing the baseline. The timeline is only a matter of > > our ability to create more fluent speakers. > > e) The first and best thing you can do for Lojbanistan is to learn > > Lojban. It would be great if you wanted to clean up and add > > learning material while you go, but make that secondary to using > > the language. > > > > This community is still bootstrapping itself. We have the most > > well-specified lanugage ever, and the situation you describe is > > exactly where we're at. If you want something better than this > > it frankly doesn't exist today, you have to help make it happen. > > > > -Alan > > -- > > .i ko djuno fi le do sevzi > > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com > . > > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. > > > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. 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coi djemysyn.

=A0=A0 =A0I did find the first few s= ections /very/ helpful, Myself. =A0Does Anyone have a copied of the wave pu= lled out for reposting on another site?

mi'e xuinkrb= in.

On 8 October 2010 13:55, Jameson Orndorff <jtorndorff@gmai= l.com> wrote:
The shortness and rather abrupt cutoff of the wave lesson is a
personal failing of mine. While the community did a great job editing
and compiling that, I sort of stopped having time to teach and thus
generate the content that drove the wave. Trust me when I say that I
want to continue to work on it. I really believe in the methodology I
use to teach lojban and want to use a strong method to attract and
retain people. Since you did read it, aside from the cutoff and the
sort of roughness to it, did you find it reasonably useful?

Please stop by IRC, i= rc.freenode.net #lojban and come chat with us.

On Fri, Oct 8, 2010 at 1:31 PM, .alyn.post.
<alyn.post@lodockikuma= zvati.org> wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 08, 2010 at 02:07:09AM -0700, Viral Lamb wrote:
>> =A0 But this isn't the same language I left years ago.
>
> I'm personally inspired by Robin's essay as well, and hope to<= br> > manifest as much of it as I can.
>
> The quickest summary I have of the situation is this:
>
> =A0a) There are too few fluent speakers of Lojban.
> =A0b) There are influential people in Lojbanistan that resist change > =A0 =A0to the status quo. =A0Either actively or simply by non-engageme= nt.
> =A0c) Some of these people *may* become less resistant to changing
> =A0 =A0the status quo with a greater number of fluent speakers.
> =A0 =A0Most particularly having enough fluent speakers to conduct
> =A0 =A0conversations about changing the baseline in Lojban, rather
> =A0 =A0than discussing it in English.
> =A0d) Even if that's not true, demographics are on the side of
> =A0 =A0changing the baseline. =A0The timeline is only a matter of
> =A0 =A0our ability to create more fluent speakers.
> =A0e) The first and best thing you can do for Lojbanistan is to learn<= br> > =A0 =A0Lojban. =A0It would be great if you wanted to clean up and add<= br> > =A0 =A0learning material while you go, but make that secondary to usin= g
> =A0 =A0the language.
>
> This community is still bootstrapping itself. =A0We have the most
> well-specified lanugage ever, and the situation you describe is
> exactly where we're at. =A0If you want something better than this<= br> > it frankly doesn't exist today, you have to help make it happen. >
> -Alan
> --
> .i ko djuno fi le do sevzi
>
> --
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